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    Aha, sorry. There was a global image limit I didn't see before.
    It has been removed.

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    For anyone worrying about the rng part of the event and the min-avg-max number of crystals, I will copy my post from /jp/ over here.

    I shall hereby present you: The ultimate calculation to lay everyone's rng fears at rest! (assuming they can clear the last map)

    First: Look at the min/avg/max table for your stamina. The avg number of crystals should allow you to, after clearing the previous maps, run the last map around 92 times, if you start with full stamina and make full use of what you regenerate. I'll assume the worst case scenario of you having only 12 stamina, i.e. each additional crystal gives you 2 more attempts at the map, and for ease of calculation I will assume that you got absolutely 0 serums from any of the previous maps.

    (For those interested in the method to check what I did: C=Number of times you cleared the last map. I calculated the chance of getting at least (1200-C*10)/3 hits out of C*2 rolls)

    Here are the results:

    Chance of not maxing with +1 crystal: 10%

    Chance of not maxing with +2 crystals: Roughly the chance of drawing Nanaly from Premium Summon

    Chance of not maxing with +3 crystals: Roughly the chance of getting a 4 of a kind on your opening hand in Poker (regular 5 card draw mode)

    Chance of not maxing with +4 crystals: Winning the lottery

    So basically, if you have even just a few more crystals than the average from the table, you are fine. On the downside, this also means that you can't hope for luck to save a few crystals either, since the chances behave similarly in the opposite direction.

    tl;dr: Expect to pay pretty much the average from the posted table above with almost no deviation. I doubt there will be any player paying more than 3 additional crystals, let alone 4.
    On a side note, this is all assuming you never mess anything up, so it's probably still a good idea to have a bit of a safety net, in case you fail a map. If you're worried you can't clear the final mission, but can clear the 2nd to last map, I would roughly estimate that you need something like 2-4 ish more crystals. If you can't clear that one either, you should probably give up on maxing her unless you're willing to spend around 50 crystals for it, but getting the black one is still within reach with a reasonable number of crystals.

    Also, as a little bonus calculation: If all the little particles in the entire (observable) universe had an Aigis account for the event, you would expect around 100 of them to pay the "max" amount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flocci View Post
    For anyone worrying about the rng part of the event and the min-avg-max number of crystals, I will copy my post from /jp/ over here.
    That was already in the guide moving it here now that the image limit has been lifted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lafate View Post
    That was already in the guide moving it here now that the image limit has been lifted.
    Where in the guide is it? Can't see anything about the actual probabilities in there, just found the raw numbers of "min/avg/max" without any mention of how (un)likely they are. Or maybe I'm just too tired to notice it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flocci View Post
    For anyone worrying about the rng part of the event and the min-avg-max number of crystals, I will copy my post from /jp/ over here.



    On a side note, this is all assuming you never mess anything up, so it's probably still a good idea to have a bit of a safety net, in case you fail a map. If you're worried you can't clear the final mission, but can clear the 2nd to last map, I would roughly estimate that you need something like 2-4 ish more crystals. If you can't clear that one either, you should probably give up on maxing her unless you're willing to spend around 50 crystals for it, but getting the black one is still within reach with a reasonable number of crystals.

    Also, as a little bonus calculation: If all the little particles in the entire (observable) universe had an Aigis account for the event, you would expect around 100 of them to pay the "max" amount.
    2 questions:
    1- I wonder if those 8 SCs that you get are included in amount for min/max. for example when for lvl 101 it says, average is 17, it means that I need 9 before beginning of event(assuming get 8 from missions) or I need 17 before start of event.
    2- I really wonder if we can pass all missions(specially last one) without a lot of CCed characters, in those videos all chars are awakened max lvl ones.... :S I think this event was somehow too soon for English version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero View Post
    2 questions:
    1- I wonder if those 8 SCs that you get are included in amount for min/max. for example when for lvl 101 it says, average is 17, it means that I need 9 before beginning of event(assuming get 8 from missions) or I need 17 before start of event.
    2- I really wonder if we can pass all missions(specially last one) without a lot of CCed characters, in those videos all chars are awakened max lvl ones.... :S I think this event was somehow too soon for English version.

    Regards
    1. I'm pretty sure it just means you need average 17 total, regardless of when or where you get them from.
    2. I watched some of those videos earlier, and I was fairly certain that at least some of them used somewhat weaker units. I only double checked one just now, "Vampire", one of the videos does not use any CC'd units - but some of those units are premium/event units, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero View Post
    2 questions:
    1- I wonder if those 8 SCs that you get are included in amount for min/max. for example when for lvl 101 it says, average is 17, it means that I need 9 before beginning of event(assuming get 8 from missions) or I need 17 before start of event.
    2- I really wonder if we can pass all missions(specially last one) without a lot of CCed characters, in those videos all chars are awakened max lvl ones.... :S I think this event was somehow too soon for English version.

    Regards
    1. The crystals from the event are not included, so you can do it if you start with only 9. Maxing her is really affordable for a maxed out top tier black unit, if you consider what 9 crystals would usually give you on the gacha. I would still recommend having a bit of a safety net though, in case you don't flawlessly clear everything.

    2. I think awakening didn't exist back then, so they should "only" be normal CCs, but the map does look quite intimidating. The lowest I've seen was someone who did it with, like, half the Team CC'd, and his strategy relied heavily on an event mage we skipped on our version, so I'm not sure how well it translates for us. The good thing is that the mission before that looks quite doable and gives almost the same amount of Serum per stam. I don't know how strong your team is, but I wouldn't be surprised if 1 week of preparation would be enough for anyone to become strong enough to clear that map.
    You will need a few more crystals that way, but I expect it to be something like.... +2-ish added to the average, but that's just a gut feeling without doing the actual calculation.

    On a side note, that map also has a decent chance of dropping Daniela (like, 15% if I remember the numbers from the wiki correctly), so if you need some silver archers for CCing a certain trading post unit, it might be worth doing the 2nd to last map even if you can actually clear the last one with no problems.
    Last edited by Flocci; 06-09-2015 at 02:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flocci View Post
    1. The crystals from the event are not included, so you can do it if you start with only 9. Maxing her is really affordable for a maxed out top tier black unit, if you consider what 9 crystals would usually give you on the gacha. I would still recommend having a bit of a safety net though, in case you don't flawlessly clear everything.

    2. I think awakening didn't exist back then, so they should "only" be normal CCs, but the map does look quite intimidating. The lowest I've seen was someone who did it with, like, half the Team CC'd, and his strategy relied heavily on an event mage we skipped on our version, so I'm not sure how well it translates for us. The good thing is that the mission before that looks quite doable and gives almost the same amount of Serum per stam. I don't know how strong your team is, but I wouldn't be surprised if 1 week of preparation would be enough for anyone to become strong enough to clear that map.
    You will need a few more crystals that way, but I expect it to be something like.... +2-ish added to the average, but that's just a gut feeling without doing the actual calculation.

    On a side note, that map also has a decent chance of dropping Daniela (like, 15% if I remember the numbers from the wiki correctly), so if you need some silver archers for CCing a certain trading post unit, it might be worth doing the 2nd to last map even if you can actually clear the last one with no problems.
    Ty for info.
    My main problem is that I messed up at beginning of my games and used up some silver units, so I were not able to CC much units. but I a few good platinum non CC units. here are my main units right now and their stats will go higher till event(Affection in parentheses):

    CCed units:

    katie lvl 50 CC 41(50%)
    cloris lvl 50 CC 40(100%)
    mehlis lvl 50 CC 41(100%)
    kerry lvl 50 CC 40(100%)

    non-CC units:

    platinum:
    echidna lvl 45(100% -> unit cost 28)
    maribel lvl 50(50% -> unit cost 18, skill lvl 3) :s
    bashira lvl 50(50%)
    lyla lvl 50(50%)
    jerome lvl 40(17%)
    cypria lvl 40(30%)
    hina lvl 40(0%)

    silver:
    allisa lvl 50(50% -> skill lvl 3)
    vallerie lvl 49(0%)
    dorca lvl 42(50%)
    calliope lvl 43(21%)
    leeane lvl 41(24%)
    gerald lvl 40(0%)
    mortimer lvl 40(0%)
    crave lvl 40(0%)
    elaine lvl 40(25%)
    soma lvl 21(32%)
    harissa lvl 21(21%)
    phyllis lvl 28(21%)

    i have these additional silver units that can be used for CCing:
    1 soldier, 3 heavy, 1 archer, 2 rough, 2 bandit, 2 mage

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    It doesn't look to me like you should really have all that many issues with the maps. Maybe the swarms of paralyzing units? I don't really know how difficult those are to handle compared to the above videos. Really hard for me to judge when I've not done the maps myself.

    But I think as long as you can tank and kill a lich, then you should be fine. But between now and the event, I'd be working on getting those silver healers CC and leveled to at least 40. You can't go wrong with more healing power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flocci View Post
    Where in the guide is it? Can't see anything about the actual probabilities in there, just found the raw numbers of "min/avg/max" without any mention of how (un)likely they are. Or maybe I'm just too tired to notice it.
    Those are the actual probabilities... it is literally in there name

    Minimum is if you are a lucky bastard and get all the drops.... just like maximum is if your luck sucks and you only get the guaranteed drops. Average is just that the average. If you got everything on their drop rate. You didn't get any more or less drops than you should have statistically gotten.

    Above average drops would be between min and avg while below average drops would put you between avg and max.

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