Thread: Samurais - what am i missing?

now we have one sam in trading post for 150dc Akane,, and i have Sakuya already, in all aigis youtube videos i seen noone ever used sam, why? AW sakuya can block 3enemies and simultaneously attack them with ~620att + skill *1,9

noone mention her in my previous post bout who to awaken either

Thats cause they still have a bad reputation from old times. They are niche units but tbh they actualy are a lot less niche then most niche units. A good samurai can easily take a heavys place in your army in most of the cases or in those where heavy def is needed as second HA. I got shizuka as my thrid shrine plat so i raised her and AWed her (also cause of her synergie with saki) and i did take her in 9 out of 10 times over my AW bernice.

Originally Posted by Nero010

Thats cause they still have a bad reputation from old times.

This is definitely the single biggest issue and it's not even a misconception, really, because samurai haven't even completed their makeover yet. Samurai are decent but had to be power creeped into relevance and they're still not OP so there's been little reason for people to move heaven and earth to level them when they've already had a giant head start on grooming alternatives. Hibari, Shizuka, Kojuro and to a lesser extent Akane and Sakuya are all actually pretty interesting units with their full kit online but it's literally impossible to use any of them to their full potential on Nutaku whereas Bernice has been co-starring in walkthroughs for literal years. In the time it's taken for the class to git gud I've SAW'd Bernice, Gellius and Deine. Hell, I've SAW'd Bernice twice if you count DMM. Samurai are simultaneously better than advertised and mostly irrelevant.

Yea, in my case, I've recently rolled Sakuya. I like her design a lot. But I sit back and think about the investment it'd take to get her to the point of providing new functionality. What she could offer that a Bernice I recently awakened and leveled back up to ~59 can't do.
Or what she could offer that would improve my army's capabilities moreso than putting those same resources elsewhere. Maybe level up Chydis more? Or Sera? Maybe level up Chloe more if I want a cheaper melee that can hit multiple dudes at once? Awaken and level up Odette? Awaken and level up Lucille if I want that expensive beefy duelist? Or Lolonee as another duelist option? And if we get any solid/interesting event plats in the near future, that's more competition for plat fairies/tin cans.

Oh, I should clarify when I say 'awaken and level' Odette/Lucille; that means they're at max level for CC. The others I've mentioned aren't even at max level for CC.... :/

this is exactly my point : it's not even that samurais are that bad. It's just that most of the niches they fill have already other options that are competitive (or better) then what most samurais would offer


As i was pointing out : mage armors tend to be heavier and still dish dps wich is also aoe and magic. Advance guards are waaay cheaper and can provide gatekeeping options for weak mobs and heavies/black knights are straight up better tanks....

The conclusion I usually read is that samurai are:
1. Too expensive to be deployed for rushes of weak mobs early in a battle
2. Not bulky enough to handle blocking multiple big dudes later in a battle

So that narrows the situations where one goes 'Yes, a samurai would be perfect here!' to.... maps where groups of weak to medium strength mobs are a concern late enough that 20 something UP isn't a problem?
Not an impossible situation, but uncommon enough such that it bumps samurai down to niche status, I presume.

pretty much what the unregistered said. There are some samurais that i would point out as being situationally great tho , as the gold Chizuru , who;s skill is great when fighting ranged units. She attracts ranged attacks onto her (including lich attacks/goblin mages/any single target mage) and dodges it with 80% chance. Assuming you awaken her , she is also going to have a massive hp pool (3.6k) and a decently high attack for a samurai (at the expense of being way squishier in terms of defense). She also costs less to deploy then kojuro for example (the other gold samurai) by 2 up.


That could make her a really great mage(lich specifically) killer. She is the sole unit in the game that can dodge magic damage as far as i know.




Other then her , i dunno if i;d actually use any other samurai. I personally use uzume as a samurai with the added bonus that she;s cheaper , and has a great team wide buff. I can see other people using advance guards like shuka to use as weak-medium mob cleaners or gatekeepers , considering they also have a way to buff the rest of the team and being cheaper to deploy

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The conclusion I usually read is that samurai are:
1. Too expensive to be deployed for rushes of weak mobs early in a battle
2. Not bulky enough to handle blocking multiple big dudes later in a battle

So that narrows the situations where one goes 'Yes, a samurai would be perfect here!' to.... maps where groups of weak to medium strength mobs are a concern late enough that 20 something UP isn't a problem?
Not an impossible situation, but uncommon enough such that it bumps samurai down to niche status, I presume.

My personal experience after months of usage of a samurai is: this is plain wrong most of the time, sorry. May look like it on paper but at practical use its a whole different story.
If for some wierd reason one doesnt want to belive my personal long term experience of using a samurai go ahead read the latest opinions of others (comment section) on here http://millenniumwaraigis.wikia.com/wiki/Shizuka
They are not a core class, but they are able to replace a core class in most cases and excelling at thier job bei far... unless the real tanking niche is asked. Which honestly is more a niche then samurais are if you ask me.

It probably depends on more things,, later in game when we have good heals and aw boosts from other units, highest boost from prince then they are surely better, more useable than before...

thanks for replies