Thread: So Aegis is closing down

Originally Posted by A Time to Screw

I like how Nutaku is going back to the "We didn't have anything to do with it it's the devs that decided this" excuse.

Pretending as if they didn't have a history of mismanaging DMM games with horrible censorship and gacha handling that painted them in a bad light to DMM devs in the first place. Let's not forget Aigis itself has had a horrible troubling history since the beginning with censorship and slow as hell updates.

They just finally decided it wasn't worth all the trouble. DMM doesn't need Nutaku, and now it especially never will. Nutaku themselves have already decided that DMM games aren't worth the trouble either and would much rather deal with native western devs and shitty eroge translations like the gaijin they are.

Why do you think it is an excuse? Does Nutaku staff translate the game or some people in Japan that work for DMM? Seeing as Devs are the ones who roll out the updates I believe it is the latter. Maybe they see that keeping extra people to translate the game costs more than the income that English version brings.

I don't understand why people are so angry at Nutaku. They brought you this game, without them you wouldn't play it for those two years because you wouldn't even know about DMM or can't play in Japanese. I am not talking about you personally, but about 95% of the people who complain. It is very sad to see the game gone, but it was a business decision, it is not a charity, you know. All this anger and personal assault at Nutaku are just stupid. It's like complaining at Steam that some developer closes down his game...

"Horrible censorship" is not because of they just want to do that, it's because there are certain laws in different countries. While in Japan it may be ok to display sex scenes with characters that look young, in most western countries it is not ok.

"Gacha handling" - not sure what's this about.

Nutaku is a content provider. If they cannot handle providing the content they have offered, they have no reason being in business. Yes the DMM devs deserve equal blame, but Nutaku has been happy to take our money too. They are not off the hook for this and deserve scorn as well if they cannot fix it.

Aigis was definitely my favorite game on nutaku. I'm curious to see how this will be handled going forward. This situation has managed to get me to stop doing the hard grind in Kamihime Project as well. Not worth the risk of wasted time at this point.

Different unregistered here.

Nutaku played this off in FB like they were as surprised as we were. This breaks their credibility.
1. Nordland stopped giving previews on Discord/ULMF over a month ago.
2. MWA disappeared from Nutaku's front page at the beginning of Oct.
3. Legal contracts that cover partnerships like Nutaku's and DMM's are almost universally structured to prevent one side from notifying the public about a termination without significant prior warning to the other party.

One year trying to become strong enough to get a better Elva (the reason i came to this game) in some revival...

I knew gettin Grace had to come with a payback...didnt expected it was no more game...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Different unregistered here.

Nutaku played this off in FB like they were as surprised as we were. This breaks their credibility.
1. Nordland stopped giving previews on Discord/ULMF over a month ago.
2. MWA disappeared from Nutaku's front page at the beginning of Oct.
3. Legal contracts that cover partnerships like Nutaku's and DMM's are almost universally structured to prevent one side from notifying the public about a termination without significant prior warning to the other party.

Why can't they be surprised if it was unexpected for them? Why assume that they were lying even though they said that they are surprised too. I believe they want this game on this site so it would not make sense for them to initiate the closure.

Nordland giving previews was his/her initiative as far as I understand. The devs need to be contacted about what they were going to release and if they answered then the preview could be done. If they stopped answering or if he/she just didn't have time to contact them you can't fault them for that.

Front page is sorted according to popularity as far as I understand. New games usually stay on top, and MWA jumped to the top and away from the list all the time depending on which events are running.

We don't know what contracts were used in this case. Maybe this was not covered in the contract (you even said it yourself - "almost universally", which means "not always") or maybe it's a misunderstanding or maybe Nutaku broke some rules in the contract and that allowed the other side to announce the termination without the warning. It is also possible that different departments (that are used for making contracts) on Nutaku were notified about this while other departments that control the information weren't - I have no idea how many people are employed by Nutaku, but it is possible when there are even only 2 different people there, maybe even with one if notification mail got lost among the others.

It's also possible that there was an ongoing discussion between two sides, where devs notified Nutaku, Nutaku people responded that they would like to keep the game and proposed some conditions, but devs weren't satisfied and still announced the termination.

Remember that DMM also sells other things related to this game - I think, comix series, so even if the game itself is not profitable they can keep it because of selling extra things that are related to it. On english version there are no extra things, so game has less audience and less things to sell, that means it is much less profitable.

Aigis was my first game on Nutaku. I saw it on Sankaku Complex. I was attracted to the Hentai stuff but gradually moved on to loving the game play.

I better take pics of my waifus and husbandos that I sank a lotta time in. I was planning to AW Eterna and Robert but I guess not.

Been a nice ride.

It was a shame Nutaku closed you. The game has so much potential but Nutaku, Japanese Devs or whoever couldn't bring it

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Why do you think it is an excuse?

I don't understand why people are so angry at Nutaku. They brought you this game, without them you wouldn't play it for those two years because you wouldn't even know about DMM or can't play in Japanese.

Because it's the same excuse they always use for every game closure. Every. Time.
There comes a point where you gotta stop listening to the boy who cried wolf and start looking for the wolf itself. In this case, the boy IS the wolf.

You seem to be glad we "ever got anything at all." But personally? I think they should do it right the first time or they don't do it at all.
Because instead, now the western localization of Aigis will forever be marred with a terrible history and a disappointing game closure that puts the whole h-game localization scene a bad reputation. This did far more damage than it did good for Nutaku and its playerbase that have been spurrned out of their time and money and are likely never going to touch another h-game.

So yeah, you can be happy with this pile of shit or whatever. But everyone else would rather not deal with Nutaku's bullshit. Yet Again.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

"Horrible censorship" is not because of they just want to do that, it's because there are certain laws in different countries. While in Japan it may be ok to display sex scenes with characters that look young, in most western countries it is not ok.

I'm tired of people peddling that reason of why they censor that shit in the first place.
Look we know, it's obvious as fuck the "reason" they do it already (even though FKG has been largely successful without any of it). But that doesn't suddenly make it any better. Yeah there's gonna be people out there who are like "lol oh well guess that's just how it is" and "lol fuck you and ur lolis" but there's also always gonna be a shitstorm with people who hate censorship in all its forms, and as they should since this is a fucking niche hentai game in the first place so ur already alienating a large part of the existing audience.

Censoring a game that was originally adult in nature has always been, already proven to be and forever will be the stupidest thing to ever do in a platform that hosts adult content (and I'm not just talking about simple JPN mosaics so don't u start with me). Especially in the case of Aigis which outright replaced or removed units altogether in the initial launch, then it took them a couple years to finally add them back in, but by then the damage was long done anyways and a lot of players were not gonna return.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

"Gacha handling" - not sure what's this about.

Some Nutaku games have had horrible gacha practice that eventually killed the game. See Nutaku's SenPro as the most egregious example. Adding to the long list of mishandled Nutaku games that continues to shit all over their reputation as an H-game platform.

Seriously???
I spent 100$ on crystals in october to make sure I would AW Miranda and Eterna... and I was close to get all the 4 star challenges done... I'm so so pissed off !!!
What are going to be the compensations? At least give back money spent in october, as said above there are contracts between nutaku and DMM and they must have seen it coming for a while. At least 1 month.
What are the next games closing down, any hint?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Seriously???
I spent 100$ on crystals in october to make sure I would AW Miranda and Eterna... and I was close to get all the 4 star challenges done... I'm so so pissed off !!!
What are going to be the compensations? At least give back money spent in october, as said above there are contracts between nutaku and DMM and they must have seen it coming for a while. At least 1 month.
What are the next games closing down, any hint?

Ouch, that sucks. On Nutaku's FB page there are many other paying players who are in a similar situation.

Considering how Nutaku handled previous closures, at best people could expect to get some stuff to play in other games, which is lame from their part.

At this point any game could be taken down. When LoV went down, Aigis was absolutely safe from this, when the next series of games went down in mass, we were told Aigis would be safe, which ended up being a plain lie.

MWA is arguably Nutaku's cornerstone, and much of their present success rested on that game, yet instead of actively engaging the situation and trying to fix whatever mistake was made to get such reaction from DMM (if that's ACTUALLY true), they ask for understanding while they wait for the official closure date. Like, seriously?

If they get away with doing this to a game such as MWA, then every other game is doomed as well, ergo paying customers in the process, as well as long time F2P.

Sorry but I'm not taking excuses from Nutaku. I'm un-subbing, un-liking, un-anything right now, and to hell with new purchases.