Thread: So Aegis is closing down

Different unregistered here.

Nutaku played this off in FB like they were as surprised as we were. This breaks their credibility.
1. Nordland stopped giving previews on Discord/ULMF over a month ago.
2. MWA disappeared from Nutaku's front page at the beginning of Oct.
3. Legal contracts that cover partnerships like Nutaku's and DMM's are almost universally structured to prevent one side from notifying the public about a termination without significant prior warning to the other party.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Different unregistered here.

Nutaku played this off in FB like they were as surprised as we were. This breaks their credibility.
1. Nordland stopped giving previews on Discord/ULMF over a month ago.
2. MWA disappeared from Nutaku's front page at the beginning of Oct.
3. Legal contracts that cover partnerships like Nutaku's and DMM's are almost universally structured to prevent one side from notifying the public about a termination without significant prior warning to the other party.

Why can't they be surprised if it was unexpected for them? Why assume that they were lying even though they said that they are surprised too. I believe they want this game on this site so it would not make sense for them to initiate the closure.

Nordland giving previews was his/her initiative as far as I understand. The devs need to be contacted about what they were going to release and if they answered then the preview could be done. If they stopped answering or if he/she just didn't have time to contact them you can't fault them for that.

Front page is sorted according to popularity as far as I understand. New games usually stay on top, and MWA jumped to the top and away from the list all the time depending on which events are running.

We don't know what contracts were used in this case. Maybe this was not covered in the contract (you even said it yourself - "almost universally", which means "not always") or maybe it's a misunderstanding or maybe Nutaku broke some rules in the contract and that allowed the other side to announce the termination without the warning. It is also possible that different departments (that are used for making contracts) on Nutaku were notified about this while other departments that control the information weren't - I have no idea how many people are employed by Nutaku, but it is possible when there are even only 2 different people there, maybe even with one if notification mail got lost among the others.

It's also possible that there was an ongoing discussion between two sides, where devs notified Nutaku, Nutaku people responded that they would like to keep the game and proposed some conditions, but devs weren't satisfied and still announced the termination.

Remember that DMM also sells other things related to this game - I think, comix series, so even if the game itself is not profitable they can keep it because of selling extra things that are related to it. On english version there are no extra things, so game has less audience and less things to sell, that means it is much less profitable.

Aigis was my first game on Nutaku. I saw it on Sankaku Complex. I was attracted to the Hentai stuff but gradually moved on to loving the game play.

I better take pics of my waifus and husbandos that I sank a lotta time in. I was planning to AW Eterna and Robert but I guess not.

Been a nice ride.

It was a shame Nutaku closed you. The game has so much potential but Nutaku, Japanese Devs or whoever couldn't bring it

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Why can't they be surprised if it was unexpected for them? Why assume that they were lying even though they said that they are surprised too. I believe they want this game on this site so it would not make sense for them to initiate the closure.

Nordland giving previews was his/her initiative as far as I understand. The devs need to be contacted about what they were going to release and if they answered then the preview could be done. If they stopped answering or if he/she just didn't have time to contact them you can't fault them for that.

Front page is sorted according to popularity as far as I understand. New games usually stay on top, and MWA jumped to the top and away from the list all the time depending on which events are running.

We don't know what contracts were used in this case. Maybe this was not covered in the contract (you even said it yourself - "almost universally", which means "not always") or maybe it's a misunderstanding or maybe Nutaku broke some rules in the contract and that allowed the other side to announce the termination without the warning. It is also possible that different departments (that are used for making contracts) on Nutaku were notified about this while other departments that control the information weren't - I have no idea how many people are employed by Nutaku, but it is possible when there are even only 2 different people there, maybe even with one if notification mail got lost among the others.

It's also possible that there was an ongoing discussion between two sides, where devs notified Nutaku, Nutaku people responded that they would like to keep the game and proposed some conditions, but devs weren't satisfied and still announced the termination.

Remember that DMM also sells other things related to this game - I think, comix series, so even if the game itself is not profitable they can keep it because of selling extra things that are related to it. On english version there are no extra things, so game has less audience and less things to sell, that means it is much less profitable.

Because they two of the 3 items I listed (lack of front page exposure and lack of Norland) started happening a month ago and were steps that would be taken had they known to cut their losses, even if they had made it public. One or the other I could understand as coincidence, but both? Not credible in these circumstances. Cutting their losses was a decision made by upper management by end of September at the latest.

As for 'near universal' clauses to prevent surprises in contracts, the key word is universal. "Near" was referring to the odd case where circumstances would be out of the scope of ordinary business transactions, the property in question is valuable enough to risk it, or one of the companies doesn't have competent legal assistance. Partnering to bring IP from Japan to the US has been around since the 80s and this part of the contract would have been boilerplate. Aigis was valuable to us players, but not that valuable in financial terms.
So that leaves either Nutaku knew well before today or does not utilize competent legal assistance in the legally thorny area of Intellectual Property. Take your pick as to which you consider worse for a company you would do business with.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Because they two of the 3 items I listed (lack of front page exposure and lack of Norland) started happening a month ago and were steps that would be taken had they known to cut their losses, even if they had made it public. One or the other I could understand as coincidence, but both? Not credible in these circumstances. Cutting their losses was a decision made by upper management by end of September at the latest.

As for 'near universal' clauses to prevent surprises in contracts, the key word is universal. "Near" was referring to the odd case where circumstances would be out of the scope of ordinary business transactions, the property in question is valuable enough to risk it, or one of the companies doesn't have competent legal assistance. Partnering to bring IP from Japan to the US has been around since the 80s and this part of the contract would have been boilerplate. Aigis was valuable to us players, but not that valuable in financial terms.
So that leaves either Nutaku knew well before today or does not utilize competent legal assistance in the legally thorny area of Intellectual Property. Take your pick as to which you consider worse for a company you would do business with.

You're right either way this demonstrate at least Nutaku's ineptitude ! I'm very sad and angry at the same time. We where having a better rythm and after almost stoping playing was again spending some money ...

The only thing DMM is to blame for is trusting a company as incompetent as Nutaku to handle the western versions of their games.

This honestly simplifies things for me in a number of ways. Since I won't be looking forward to new characters to obtain and have a limited time-set to finish H-ing up my collection, I can burn all the SC I have left on that, then take pictures, and store my sex-capades somewhere local to look back on. Also given that this is the second to last game I'm willing to take up under Nutaku with the last being still questionable, I'm making it easy for myself to say goodbye and walk away satisfied (pretty much all the other games are too taxing with gacha dependencies).

I'd say I was let down, disappointed, pissed off but I'm honestly not. I have 4 months of backlog for downloaded H-games, another 10 for other games, 2 mmos I can get back into, and weeks of anime to catch up with so this is one less thing to keep up with.

And for those bitching about Nutaku being incompetent or 100% responsible for everything, clearly you haven't had the kinda middleman job where your providers half-ass their work and threaten to cut you off when you say too much and your customers nitpick every little thing that you were ordered to leave as is or tried to deal with when it was beyond your ability. If you've worked that field, if you've done it right, and if you've been more successful than Nutaku has made itself to be, then by all means, don't only criticize but go and take their business. Otherwise, if you have no intent on doing any of that and just want to be sore about sinking your money into something that ended at a time that was inconvenient for you, then rant away but don't go pointing fingers at shit you only think you understand.

anyone know if any japan people are also shocked/wondering about this? like a thread on 2ch or something.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Front page is sorted according to popularity as far as I understand.

The Top Ranking Free is sorting by revenue and the Trending is related to newly registered users

Maybe Nutaku's Aigis main competition was the DMMver and if dev was getting even twice as much profit for the same amount of effort, it would make sense for them to stop trying. Unfortunately, Japanserver of game will always make a lot more money because of willingness of player to spend. I see this as something that was long time coming, although I am surprised it ended as soon as it did. All online game will end, you only pay if you feel you are getting your entertainment's worth. No one can complain about their favorite band ending concert tour, it is band's decision. If you enjoy going to concerts, you pay for that concert.

If u enjoy Aigis for its gameplay, it is strongly recommended to join me and try to at least start on DMM and see how it goes. Every time there was new reason to sign up in DMM whether in 2015 or 2016 u hear tales of how player caught up to their Nutaku progress in a very shorter amount of time because the game over there is much further on. I more understand that while it was likely dev Tea's decision to stop supporting English version, probably their reasons for doing so is related to business and DMMver is at much less risk of stopping because the paying userbase is there and very guaranteed.

Maybe Nutaku could have handled things better but I think it was over when Nordland said dev Tea wanted to continue handling the service about 1year ago.