Thread: Aigis Game Design Review

Originally Posted by Ericridge

I give it an 0/10 because it shut down. The game design wasn't good enough to stay up.

That hits me as a pretty silly way to look at it given that the Japanese version has ran successfully for years. I think the biggest problem is that the English version ran off a lot of players early by having a painfully slow update schedule. That's a fatal flaw when you consider that the sufficiently determined whales can just jolly well go ahead and play the Japanese version instead.

After playing DMM Aigis for a bit, a few drastic differences exist, mostly in favor of DMM Aigis.

First, upon leveling, charisma and stamina, instead of capping at the max, goes past the max. Makes leveling more of a reward, and gets rid of annoying levels of trying to optimize exp when leveling.

Second, when a mission quest is failed, half of the cost for both stamina and charisma is returned. It really replaces a lot of the punishment found in many other games (including Nutaku Aigis) with an energy mechanic, and it actually encourages a bit more risky gameplay.

One of the general understandings of players of your game is that the player will always find the safest game loop to play with time, no matter how boring. For example, for a game like the newest Doom, without the reward of health pickups and bonuses for playing aggressively, the players would keep distance from the enemies, returning to the boring gameplay loop of some FPS PVE, where the player just stands back and slowly kills enemies (hi Halo).

DMM Aigis partially solves Nutaku Aigis's loop. While N Aigis's safest loop was a lot of YouTube a run and then attempt to emulate, unless the map really demands such a run style, DMM Aigis allows for some level of risky or blind running for certain maps, as the player knows that even upon failure they can still play on or return to the attempt faster. And it still manages to retain punishment for failure; depending on current stamina/charisma, the player likely will be unable to attempt the mission until much later.

Third, the FTP vs whale situation was described earlier. I won't go too into detail about it because, well, it was already addressed. Since Aigis is PVE with no PVP elements, direct or indirect, it really needed a well fleshed out singleplayer experience. And Nutaku's Aigis, even the most recent updates, cannot compare to DMM Aigis.

I guess it's unfair to compare an older, well supported version of a game to its newer and less supported version. But hey, there is one mechanic that N Aigis has over DMM Aigis. No mosaics .

The only Nutaku game that doesn't reset a battle or map when you have crappy internet browser or service would be Kamihime

I don't think Aigis should be blame for it since it's an old game. Online Gacha games are pretty much iffy on the tech stuff. Have to use VPN, clear cache

Compared to console games, (well, the older ones that don't use internet) don't crash.

Edit:

Originally Posted by faketurtle

I guess it's unfair to compare an older, well supported version of a game to its newer and less supported version. But hey, there is one mechanic that N Aigis has over DMM Aigis. No mosaics .

So gonna miss dat. I can't tell which hole for some Hentai scenes is his dick going into. In Anna's case, I can't tell if her 2nd scene had penetration or she's just rubbing his dick with her clit. Since I can't read the Hentai dialogue in DMM,

Sometimes, they don't show blood for virgins. Oh well :P

i personally don;;t care about the scenes , but i having everything in japanese is a bit much for me. I don't have the patience to go and translate everything

I'm going to do my best to get as many English sex scenes (thanks to the scene collection project) as possible... because I'm not going to care about it on the DMM version. The pictures are almost never enough for me on their own, the real fun for me comes from the dialogue...

Does sound like the DMM version doesn't have one of the major issues that the Nutaku version had for me (no rewards on defeat), so that makes me more interested in switching.

Anyway, I'll have to devote some time to everything I did like about Aigis, as well as my own ideas for what I'd do if I were designing stuff for this or a similar game. Kinda fun to think up unit ideas for Aigis...

Originally Posted by MalusCorvus

Does sound like the DMM version doesn't have one of the major issues that the Nutaku version had for me (no rewards on defeat), so that makes me more interested in switching.

It's not a reward for defeat. More like compensation or some hardcore folks who don't like it, pity stamina refund

Originally Posted by HungryHunter

It's not a reward for defeat. More like compensation or some hardcore folks who don't like it, pity stamina refund

Details, details. My issue was that you spend that amount and get nothing for your efforts. With DMM, the cost is mitigated.

Originally Posted by MalusCorvus

Details, details. My issue was that you spend that amount and get nothing for your efforts. With DMM, the cost is mitigated.

man, it's not a reward for defeat, getting a game over

it also works out if the game freezes on you or your browser crash

It's just a refund

Originally Posted by HungryHunter

man, it's not a reward for defeat, getting a game over

it also works out if the game freezes on you or your browser crash

It's just a refund

Never said it was. I don't understand what you're trying to say, or why you're making a big deal over it.

The cost of defeat isn't as bad on DMM. I don't see the point of quibbling over specifics.

Originally Posted by MalusCorvus

Never said it was. I don't understand what you're trying to say, or why you're making a big deal over it.

The cost of defeat isn't as bad on DMM. I don't see the point of quibbling over specifics.

Problem is you call it reward

You don't gain anything, you just don't lose much