Thread: [DMM] Mononofu ~ White Lily Battle Princesses ~

Most UR generals really aren't that useful. You'll end up needing to use a bunch of UR or Universal EVO cards to rank them up to four stars, and those come slowly, to say the least. So you basically have to pick the one that you think is the strongest that you have or will have anytime remotely soon as the one to use your UR and Universal EVO cards on.

As a survey of sorts of what the top tier players are using, at least in PVE, I checked the recent victories on the seventh opponent of map 6-4. This has the advantage that only six players have beaten it, ever: Temp, Semaphore, Nootaku, Aargaez, Vermillion, and Arikromus. All daimyos in the past 2+ months have come from that list. With only six players having beaten the opponent at all, it retains the first victory by each of those six players rather than getting scrolled off. It's also a not terribly difficult opponent, as the enemy is all elite guards, so you don't get people pulling out weird tricks to try to customize something for that particular opponent.

So I tallied up the generals used, including both the base generals and also the inherited ones. The totals are:

UR The Dragon of Echigo: 1
UR The Tiger of Kai: 8
UR Master Strategist: 2
UR Sanada Yukimura (S): 1
SSR Uesugi Kenshin: 1
SSR Toyotomi Hideyoshi: 2
SSR Takenaka Hanbei: 3
SSR Mori Motonari: 5
SSR Miyamoto Musashi: 1
SSR Sasaki Kojiro: 1
SSR Kamiizumi Nobutsuna: 2
SSR Honda Tadakatsu: 1
SSR Honganji Kennyo: 1
SSR Sanada Yukitaka: 5
SSR Takeda Shingen of Kai: 6
SSR Toyotomi Hideyoshi (S): 3
SR Naoe Kagetsuna: 6
SR Katakura Kojuuro: 2
SR Date Nami: 1
SR Yagyu Munetoshi: 1
SR Imagawa Yoshimoto: 1
SR Honganji Kennyo: 3
SR Otomo Yoshishige: 1
SR Ashikaga Yoshiaki: 2

That's more SR than UR, and from a set of players who could easily go exclusively SSR if so inclined. It's also more SR Naoe Kagetsuna alone than all UR besides Tiger of Kai combined.

If you were to get a more PVP focused survey by counting the generals used in the quarterfinals of the daimyo tournament, you'll see a lot more SSR Uesugi Kenshin, SSR Takenaka Hanbei, and SSR Sasaki Kojiro, but not more UR generals. You pick your favorite, evolve your favorite, and won't get around to evolving your second favorite unless you play for a number of months.

This week brought back the trainer dungeon. If you like experience cards, this is for you. It takes over 9 million experience to level an SSR general from 1 to 55. The trainer dungeon drops enough experience cards for you to do that in a little over two days. Yes, really. I just tallied up the experience cards I got from clearing the whole thing and it comes to 4183500 experience. That's for just one day, and the event is here for two weeks.

I said that the rebel dungeon caters to the top tier players who can clear it quickly. The trainer dungeon is quite the opposite of that. I actually had to pull all of my normal generals off of the field for it because two opponents who do reflect damage were killing me with it. I'm using it to level affection for new generals with a single level 40 general wearing hand-me-down gear one-shotting the entire enemy side on each of the first six opponents (out of seven). Okay, so that one general is a UR Master Strategist with an inherited Takeda Shingen, but still.

The trainer dungeon also gives a lot of copper, if that's what you need. It isn't actually the best source of copper, but it is the best source of experience cards. This is the third time that the dungeon has run, though the first time gave you very limited access unless you paid a ton of koban.

So i finaly chose to use my freshman ticket. I couldn't decide between Tiger of Kai and Master Strategist but i didn't had to chose. The available choice are Kenshin, Takeda, Oda, Toyotomi, Tohso and Luis.

Originally Posted by DunDunDun

So i finaly chose to use my freshman ticket. I couldn't decide between Tiger of Kai and Master Strategist but i didn't had to chose. The available choice are Kenshin, Takeda, Oda, Toyotomi, Tohso and Luis.

They don't give you a good UR anymore? Ugh. When I used it, the choices were Dragon of Echigo, Tiger of Kai, Demon King of the Six Heavens, Taikou Hideyoshi, Tohsho Daigongen, and Luis Frois. I assumed that it was still a "pick your favorite UR", as newer UR generals have been added to jade ticket. Dragon of Echigo, Tiger of Kai, and Taikou Hideyoshi are all preferable to any of the six choices you list. Oh well. Save any UR EVO or Universal EVO cards that you have the good fortune to get until you get a Tiger of Kai or Master Strategist to use them on.

At least the new trainer event should let you get some SR generals to high levels quickly. I'd recommend focusing on the trainer event and going as far in it as you can until either you've done all of the generals that you can 30 times each that day before farming any other content besides the convoys in the daily/daimyo world bosses. When you're new, the first thing you need is to get a team of max level generals with skills that are useful to inherit later. The copper from the trainer event will help you, too.

The list from the freshman ticket is as you said i have just been lazy and told their name instead of their UR name xD Only Tohsho Daigongen i forgot her name. (It's why i said tohsho but i didn't say the full name)

What i mean by saying i didn't had to choose between Tiger of Kai and Master Strategist was because Master wasn't available while Tiger was there.

Originally Posted by DunDunDun

The list from the freshman ticket is as you said i have just been lazy and told their name instead of their UR name xD Only Tohsho Daigongen i forgot her name. (It's why i said tohsho but i didn't say the full name)

What i mean by saying i didn't had to choose between Tiger of Kai and Master Strategist was because Master wasn't available while Tiger was there.

Well that sure makes the decision easy for you. Interesting to know that newer UR generals haven't since been added.

Is there a consensus on the best use for free koban? I unlocked the second dojo slot, but otherwise have been hoarding. More inventory slots would be nice, but they sure seem pricey.

Originally Posted by Odiecks

Is there a consensus on the best use for free koban? I unlocked the second dojo slot, but otherwise have been hoarding. More inventory slots would be nice, but they sure seem pricey.

The single best use of Koban is, when there is an event with unusually good rewards that you weren't going to get, buying the rations and/or fast battle tickets necessary to make sure you get those rewards. This only applies to events with unusually good rewards. In the current rebellion event, if TruelyNice and Aqua-chan spent all the souls they've gotten from the event on soul tickets, they've probably gotten over 130 soul tickets each so far. That's huge, but you'd better believe that they're burning a ton of koban on fast battle tickets to make that happen.

But the rebellion event (which formerly ran as the crusader event) only gives such great rewards if you can kill the boss in one battle, and the rewards drop off precipitously if it takes you 10 battles to clear it. The other notable event was the last four opponents in the summer generals/water gun event, which had a 0.2% chance of dropping an SSR EVO card. You could only fight them 50 times each, for 200 per day in total, which didn't necessarily require spending koban. But if you would have missed the rewards without spending koban, it was worth it to spend it.

There are diminishing returns to buying more dojo slots, but it's a reasonable thing to buy. You'll need more inventory slots if you decide you want to equip gear on your defense team, not just your offense team, but you don't really need more inventory slots than you can buy with copper unless and until you decide you want to do that.

After that, summons are probably the best place to spend your spare koban. Platinum x11 or some event summons are the most efficient to buy with koban. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with hoarding koban to make sure that you have what you need for events when an important event shows up. If you're playing completely free and not buying the monthly pass, you're probably not going to have the spare koban for very many koban summons, anyway.

Do not waste koban on shortening cooldowns, buying copper directly, buying the last boat at the port, buying construction tickets, or buying gold summon tickets. Those are all massively wasteful.

I think I started during the summer event, so I wasn't strong enough to get to the end battles, and I haven't yet seen a need to buy rations or FB tickets, but I can see how it would be useful. I guess the plan for now is to keep hoarding, and if I end up with more stashed than I think I need, I can drop the 1500 on summons.

I like the constant free exp from the dojo, but it's such a drop in the bucket compared to exp cards from events. I'm certainly not feeling tempted to drop 1000 koban on another slot.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I think I started during the summer event, so I wasn't strong enough to get to the end battles, and I haven't yet seen a need to buy rations or FB tickets, but I can see how it would be useful. I guess the plan for now is to keep hoarding, and if I end up with more stashed than I think I need, I can drop the 1500 on summons.

I like the constant free exp from the dojo, but it's such a drop in the bucket compared to exp cards from events. I'm certainly not feeling tempted to drop 1000 koban on another slot.

Before the current rebellion event, I had only ever spent 50 koban on fast battle tickets and nothing on rations, relying instead on getting them by other means. But a soul ticket about every 60 battles or so, repeatable infinitely often, is far too good of a deal to pass up. By the time the event is over, I'll probably have spent about 4000 koban on them, which should drain my reserves of it entirely. But that will probably be good for something over 100 soul tickets over the course of the event. So far, out of 63 soul ticket draws from the event, I've gotten 2x UR Master Strategist, 2x SSR Takeda Shingen of Kai, and 1x UR EVO card, so it's worth it. That's massively better than anything else I could hope to get with 4000 koban, or 6000 if you count the standard rations and fast battle tickets that I had accumulated before the event started and have since used.