Thread: [DMM] Mononofu ~ White Lily Battle Princesses ~

Originally Posted by thatoneguyfromwork

Thanks for all those that commented. Some useful info there.



What do you think about changing the class. I haven't done that yet and I have a class change for every possible class in my inventory I think. Would it be worth going cavalry or infantry are those change items super rare and should be saved?

It depends on what your current troop faction is (temple or church). Because bonuses from troop type training research give a big help to your army. For temple, go for the offensive types (go for aoe type troops if possible) since SR Honda has atk and def boost from her first skill (elite marksman or elite black rider). If church, it can be elite artillery, elite samurai or elite swordsman. But it all depends to you XD

Don't forget to unlock and finish the hidden dungeons on chapter 1 and chapter 2 so that you would have extra or reserved troop types to consider once your army would change.

Originally Posted by thatoneguyfromwork

Thanks for all those that commented. Some useful info there.



What do you think about changing the class. I haven't done that yet and I have a class change for every possible class in my inventory I think. Would it be worth going cavalry or infantry are those change items super rare and should be saved?

I personally like elite black riders and guards the best of all unit types. The guards for my defense general/s and black riders for the damage. Unless they get a bonus for a specific troop type like master strategist with archer. The guard has by far the best overall defense and the riders seem to do the most damage overall.

Originally Posted by thatoneguyfromwork

Thanks for all those that commented. Some useful info there.



What do you think about changing the class. I haven't done that yet and I have a class change for every possible class in my inventory I think. Would it be worth going cavalry or infantry are those change items super rare and should be saved?

Class changes are cheap. You can get a first tier class change from the store for 500 kizuna. Kizuna is a little scarce early on when you're leveling lab skills, but I now have over 400k kizuna sitting there and not much to spend it on. Second tier class changes cost 30k copper from the store, so those are basically free. Third and fourth tier are a matter of, go to the level that drops them and beat that level until you get the one you want. Maybe you have to beat some random opponent 10 times to get the drop, but they generally come pretty quick.

Other than when you're very new to the game, there's little sense in using any generals who haven't been promoted to a fourth tier class. I wouldn't say it's cheap to switch classes back and forth at the drop of a hat, but getting a character to the class you want is fairly cheap.

One tip that I'd offer you is, if you get class change items in your mailbox, leave them in your mailbox until you're ready to use them. That way, you can keep them around and not waste inventory space.

If you go temple, the main classes are elite guard, elite black rider, and elite marksman. If you go church, the main classes are corsair, heavy artillery, and heavy knight. Or at least, that's about all that people use in PVP.

Personally, I've mostly moved away from tanking and healing, and instead rely on killing opponents before they get to attack. That's sometimes trouble when facing corsair-heavy opponents, but seems to be the optimal strategy in most places.

For example, in the current soul ticket event, I don't just beat the boss in one battle. I beat it in one round, and half of the time with only three of my generals having to attack before I've won. A tank and heal heavy approach might also beat the boss in one battle, but if it takes three or four rounds, then you fight massively fewer battles in the same amount of time unless you're burning fast battle tickets.

Originally Posted by fuzzylogic

Yeah that is one good point to follow. The first time I encountered that event (The Tiger of Kai and friends army), I have to beat it like 5-7 times just to start the roulette spinning. The second event of the same army (The Vulture Legion), it took me 2-3 times just to get the reward and yes I had spent 100 kobans for the battle tickets in which it was worth it (1 soul ticket, 700-1200 souls, 2 SSR Takeda Shingen aside from the copper/equipment). Now on the Howling event, it took me 1-2 battles in which made think that my army is quite progressing. I just tested and still prioritizing the Halloween dungeon. Maybe I'll farm at Howling Dungeon next week if I see that the next event is not that interesting to farm at.

What I do is to clear the final five opponents of pumpkin dream first, which takes a little over an hour. The opponents are very weak, so I pull all but one general off my team so that I don't have to wait so long through various skills taking effect. I need Master Strategist for the last three, but then switch to Saitoh Dohsan with a Playful Kaneko Sword equipped so that I can kill them much more quickly while only having to wait for the weapon skill to take effect rather than a whole long list of things. I intermittently read something else while doing this. For example, that's what I'm doing right now as I type this.

Once I've cleared that part of pumpkin dream, whatever time remaining I'm on the computer for the day, start another battle of the howling pass event if I notice that the previous one has finished. That seems to be good for around 100 clears of it if I'm at work most of the day, or probably more like 300 on weekends. Winning in one round, not just one battle, helps a lot.

Has anyone noticed a drop in soul tickets in this current event in comparison to the last one, or am I just having really bad luck so far? I have been clearing it as much as last time and instead of getting 8-10 soul ticket drops a day I have only gotten 3. On the other hand the amount of souls seems to be way higher, since I have collected something like 8000 or so a day of souls. I'm only asking because I'm not sure if they cut the rate of the soul ticket drop or my luck has just been skewed this run.

Originally Posted by Foolinlove

Has anyone noticed a drop in soul tickets in this current event in comparison to the last one, or am I just having really bad luck so far? I have been clearing it as much as last time and instead of getting 8-10 soul ticket drops a day I have only gotten 3. On the other hand the amount of souls seems to be way higher, since I have collected something like 8000 or so a day of souls. I'm only asking because I'm not sure if they cut the rate of the soul ticket drop or my luck has just been skewed this run.

You get 8-10 soul tickets per day, not counting from souls? Assuming a 1% soul ticket drop rate, that would put you over 500 million points for the event. On my server, that would have been good for about #2 or #3 server-wide. I'm not saying it's impossible, but did you really play the event as much as you're claiming?

Jeffrey Uy, I saw you at #1 in the daily world boss fairly late in the event. Unfortunately for you, that event pretty heavily favors people who can rack up more score per battle. In order to get above whatever rank threshold you're aiming for, you have to either be able to run up score fast enough that others can't pass you, or make it expensive enough that they won't try.

For example, let's suppose that you can kill 500k troops per battle and someone else can kill 1 million troops per battle. Let's suppose that within 1 minute left in the event, you have the same score, and there is time for 8 battles left. The person you're competing against knows that he can drop another 8 million points on his score in that minute, while you can only do 4 million. He might decide to do 5 million just so that you can't beat him and stop. If he's 3 million points behind you, he knows that he can catch up. This often leads to the people who can't put points on the board as fast just declining to compete at all.

In order for you to win, you have to either happen to hit a day when no one capable of running up a score in a hurry cares to, or else be so far ahead that people who look at it decide it's not worth what it would cost to catch you. Had you been #1 by a margin of 30 million points with 5 minutes to go, it's likely that no one decides to challenge you for #1 even if they could, as it's simply too expensive to bother.

As for no one else caring, I once got #1 with a score of about 20 million. I don't get #1 often, because I don't want to burn a ton of koban on it. Speaking of koban, on days when koban is the reward, a score of 50 million isn't even guaranteed to put you in the top 10.

People also tend to try to score just above the threshold for a big reward, not just below it. Sometimes #3 gives far better rewards than #2. Sometimes #10 gives far better rewards than #11. When there is such a drop off, you'll see a lot more competition from people trying to get the better reward rather than the lesser one.

On the bright side, by pushing Aqua-chain, Rimuru, and Neowarden to have to put up more points than they would otherwise have in order to finish in the top 3, you might be primarily responsible for allowing everyone on the server to clear one convoy more than they would have otherwise. Whether you value that or not is up to you.

Originally Posted by Semaphore

Jeffrey Uy, I saw you at #1 in the daily world boss fairly late in the event. Unfortunately for you, that event pretty heavily favors people who can rack up more score per battle. In order to get above whatever rank threshold you're aiming for, you have to either be able to run up score fast enough that others can't pass you, or make it expensive enough that they won't try.

For example, let's suppose that you can kill 500k troops per battle and someone else can kill 1 million troops per battle. Let's suppose that within 1 minute left in the event, you have the same score, and there is time for 8 battles left. The person you're competing against knows that he can drop another 8 million points on his score in that minute, while you can only do 4 million. He might decide to do 5 million just so that you can't beat him and stop. If he's 3 million points behind you, he knows that he can catch up. This often leads to the people who can't put points on the board as fast just declining to compete at all.

In order for you to win, you have to either happen to hit a day when no one capable of running up a score in a hurry cares to, or else be so far ahead that people who look at it decide it's not worth what it would cost to catch you. Had you been #1 by a margin of 30 million points with 5 minutes to go, it's likely that no one decides to challenge you for #1 even if they could, as it's simply too expensive to bother.

As for no one else caring, I once got #1 with a score of about 20 million. I don't get #1 often, because I don't want to burn a ton of koban on it. Speaking of koban, on days when koban is the reward, a score of 50 million isn't even guaranteed to put you in the top 10.

People also tend to try to score just above the threshold for a big reward, not just below it. Sometimes #3 gives far better rewards than #2. Sometimes #10 gives far better rewards than #11. When there is such a drop off, you'll see a lot more competition from people trying to get the better reward rather than the lesser one.

On the bright side, by pushing Aqua-chain, Rimuru, and Neowarden to have to put up more points than they would otherwise have in order to finish in the top 3, you might be primarily responsible for allowing everyone on the server to clear one convoy more than they would have otherwise. Whether you value that or not is up to you.

Before I speak, Let me first apologize again that I surpass your World Event Ranking. I meant no offense, just liking the reward of Soul. And Thanks for noticing me. Also, I care, when I participated first time on World Event. I notice you, Aargaez and Temp being top 3. That's where I motivated to become stronger like you. But still end up being a weakling. huhuhu

Tbh, I was enjoying battling with Neowarden. What pissed me off is Rimuru. I'm not sure how he did it so fast. (Aside from using Fast Battle Ticket). Not only that I spent 150 Koban to buy Fast Battle Tickets and still end up 4th. I need more advice on what to do to become better at World Event. (and hoping not to surpass you again *bows).

Originally Posted by Jeffrey Uy

Before I speak, Let me first apologize again that I surpass your World Event Ranking. I meant no offense, just liking the reward of Soul. And Thanks for noticing me. Also, I care, when I participated first time on World Event. I notice you, Aargaez and Temp being top 3. That's where I motivated to become stronger like you. But still end up being a weakling. huhuhu

Tbh, I was enjoying battling with Neowarden. What pissed me off is Rimuru. I'm not sure how he did it so fast. (Aside from using Fast Battle Ticket). Not only that I spent 150 Koban to buy Fast Battle Tickets and still end up 4th. I need more advice on what to do to become better at World Event. (and hoping not to surpass you again *bows).

Don't apologize for scoring higher than I do in a world boss. Even from a purely selfish perspective, if more other people score higher, that unlocks more convoys, which tends to mean I get more rations, so I benefit. If so many other people were to rush through the world bosses that I could never even crack the top 10, that would probably mean about an extra 30 standard rations per day for me, and then I could stop spending koban on rations.

As for how people score highly, some people build more heavily for a good world boss team than others. I personally build more for beating top end PVE such as the soul ticket event boss, though I have plans to build for world bosses soonish. (I need to draw one more SSR Sanada Yukitaka and three more cursed shards for what I have planned, and then level up the general and the sword.)

One way to do it is to stack as many buffs as you can so that you have one character dealing as much damage to a single target as possible. That's the route I plan to go. It goes something like this:

Sanada Yukitaka (lots of damage buffs)
inherited Tiger of Kai (deals 350% damage)
Elite Crimson Rider class (+35% damage in first round)
five Koyo Gunkan buffs elsewhere on the team (+15% attack each)
Wind of Echigo buff (+20% damage)
Hatazirushi from the team leader (+10% attack)
level 65 Cursed Nameless Sword (+50% damage)
level 65 Cursed Nameless Armor (+20 power)
level 65 Zhan Guo Ce (+35% damage)
level 20 Perfect Emerald in port (+9.5% damage)
lots of high rank lab and temple skills (my current median skill level is 43)

I figure that should be good for about 1 million damage in the first round from that one general alone. In most world boss battles, that will be, do one hit for 1 million damage and instantly die of reflect damage. But I'll move her around some and in battles where I don't die on the first round, do a ton of additional damage on each subsequent round. Throw in several hundred thousand damage from other generals on the team, and I expect that would be good for about 1.5 million damage per battle if I can't line up well, and perhaps 2-4 million damage per battle against opponents 5, 6, 7, 9, and 11 on a map, at least until people kill the enemies that don't deal reflect damage.

Originally Posted by Semaphore

Don't apologize for scoring higher than I do in a world boss. Even from a purely selfish perspective, if more other people score higher, that unlocks more convoys, which tends to mean I get more rations, so I benefit. If so many other people were to rush through the world bosses that I could never even crack the top 10, that would probably mean about an extra 30 standard rations per day for me, and then I could stop spending koban on rations.

As for how people score highly, some people build more heavily for a good world boss team than others. I personally build more for beating top end PVE such as the soul ticket event boss, though I have plans to build for world bosses soonish. (I need to draw one more SSR Sanada Yukitaka and three more cursed shards for what I have planned, and then level up the general and the sword.)

One way to do it is to stack as many buffs as you can so that you have one character dealing as much damage to a single target as possible. That's the route I plan to go. It goes something like this:

Sanada Yukitaka (lots of damage buffs)
inherited Tiger of Kai (deals 350% damage)
Elite Crimson Rider class (+35% damage in first round)
five Koyo Gunkan buffs elsewhere on the team (+15% attack each)
Wind of Echigo buff (+20% damage)
Hatazirushi from the team leader (+10% attack)
level 65 Cursed Nameless Sword (+50% damage)
level 65 Cursed Nameless Armor (+20 power)
level 65 Zhan Guo Ce (+35% damage)
level 20 Perfect Emerald in port (+9.5% damage)
lots of high rank lab and temple skills (my current median skill level is 43)

I figure that should be good for about 1 million damage in the first round from that one general alone. In most world boss battles, that will be, do one hit for 1 million damage and instantly die of reflect damage. But I'll move her around some and in battles where I don't die on the first round, do a ton of additional damage on each subsequent round. Throw in several hundred thousand damage from other generals on the team, and I expect that would be good for about 1.5 million damage per battle if I can't line up well, and perhaps 2-4 million damage per battle against opponents 5, 6, 7, 9, and 11 on a map, at least until people kill the enemies that don't deal reflect damage.

Thank You Sempai. ^_^

Not sure where I can find those items your recommend but I'll get them eventually. Meaning it will take a while to get my hands on Rimuru. Grrrrr.