Thread: Sengoku Providence announced!

Originally Posted by Nutaku Staff

In order to clarify a little bit the messages posted here, please know the following:

- stamina regen is similar to DMM, same for the stamina consumption for each level.

- Gacha system and the game system were slightly modify in order to balance the game for all kind of players.

This response truly sealed the deal and I'm now quite glad I quit.

It's not strange for a grind game to have a ways to extend play, but when merely doing 1 quest can take half your stamina. There's not much fulfilling progression within a reasonable amount of time in the day.

Balanced for all kind of players? Having a paid gacha only isn't balanced for all players, it's geared towards "whales". If instead the gacha system didn't have the paid only, magatamas would still be bought by "whales" for use, but at the same time F2P players would actually benefit, especially from the lack of daily magatama gain.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Are there some Senki who have the wrong name? I notice in the event tab update 1 says Yukimura Sanada for the next update, but the character in the new paid gatcha is Sanada Nobushige

We will fix the error. As a general note, any issues posted on this forum are sent to our QA team for testing and if confirmed they are fixed in future updates.

Alright, if the dev team is going to be actually reading this thread, there's something I'd like to know. When are you guys going to fix the Senki Point exchange center? Requiring 150,000 points in order to get a 5* senki has to be a bug. Because I seriously question your sanity if that was intentional.

150k is the normal prize, no misstake.
limited senkis cost 500k in DMM.
also, you cant use nonhumans in TW in the DMM version either.

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150k is the normal prize, no misstake.
limited senkis cost 500k in DMM.
also, you cant use nonhumans in TW in the DMM version either.

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

150k is the normal prize, no misstake.
limited senkis cost 500k in DMM.
also, you cant use nonhumans in TW in the DMM version either.

*600k
and gatcha is also the same, except for the not garanted 5* in the NORMAL one
but then again, it wasnt in the DMM version from the start eiher.
you have around 300 free Yins (magatama) to spent with just the 3 campains and login/daily.

You have around 300 free Yins (magatama) to spent with just the 3 campains and login/daily.


Yes, for 3* senki. Wow.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

also, you cant use nonhumans in TW in the DMM version either.

The greater picture I was getting at earlier is that in the DMM version you can get about.. 3~ solid teams of 6-star Senki that you can field in Total Wars if you use your magatama wisely. In the Nutaku version.. you can spend all that free magatama on draws and (very likely) will not even draw a single 6-star.

That is a HUGE power difference in tackling Total Wars - and a dramatic cut to event-countering potential(as demi-humans are often weaker than their human counterparts). Furthermore, I believe Kuebiko is the only mini-event 6-star with the ability to heal; the 5-star Water Tiger simply isn't fast(or strong) enough to be effective as a healer against 6-star/"Shura" quality opponents.


The DMM version is designed around the successful idea that everyone has semi-regular access to 6-star Senki(with the ability to speed up the acquisition rate via spending money). The Nutaku version treats those 6-star senki as a "premium service"; locking not only the senki themselves, but also the game content that said senki enable behind a destructively inhibiting paywall.

Constructively speaking, a compromise may be to remove the restriction for the 5-star "Normal" gatcha - effectively allowing players to exchange 40 free magatama for one of the original 13 Senki. Long-term power-scaling will still become a potential issue, but this simple change would make the end game accessible to everyone, as intended. This would also be the quickest/least labor-intensive solution.

Originally Posted by Nutaku Staff

- Gacha system and the game system were slightly modify in order to balance the game for all kind of players.

I'm really curious as to how making the event gatcha limited to paid-only Magatama, as a way to "balance the game for all kind of players". Because, as I see it, the only balance that makes is to skew everything towards the whales (heavy-spenders), while the F2P people are out in the cold.

Make all gatcha going forward usable with both free and paid Magatama (as things are in the Japanese release). Free players will then have a use for their Magatama (and a reason to continue playing the game at all), while the "whales" will burn through whatever free in-game currency they've earned and likely open their wallets to spend more, chasing that specific character (or multiple of said character).

The game is okay fun, but the heavy emphasis on "paid-only Magatama" gatcha ruins a lot of the enjoyment for me. I have no issue spending/supporting this style of games (I've spent quite a bit in Flower Knight Girl), but give me a reason first. If all you do is lock stuff behind paywalls and expect people to willingly spend money just because that's the only method given them, all you're going to do is anger/frustrate the general player-base and force them to find something new. It's probably too late anyway, as from what I've been reading on this (and other) forums. Most have already moved on, which is a shame, as the core gameplay here has promise.

Originally Posted by Darsel

The greater picture I was getting at earlier is that in the DMM version you can get about.. 3~ solid teams of 6-star Senki that you can field in Total Wars if you use your magatama wisely. In the Nutaku version.. you can spend all that free magatama on draws and (very likely) will not even draw a single 6-star.

That is a HUGE power difference in tackling Total Wars - and a dramatic cut to event-countering potential(as demi-humans are often weaker than their human counterparts). Furthermore, I believe Kuebiko is the only mini-event 6-star with the ability to heal; the 5-star Water Tiger simply isn't fast(or strong) enough to be effective as a healer against 6-star/"Shura" quality opponents.


The DMM version is designed around the successful idea that everyone has semi-regular access to 6-star Senki(with the ability to speed up the acquisition rate via spending money). The Nutaku version treats those 6-star senki as a "premium service"; locking not only the senki themselves, but also the game content that said senki enable behind a destructively inhibiting paywall.

Constructively speaking, a compromise may be to remove the restriction for the 5-star "Normal" gatcha - effectively allowing players to exchange 40 free magatama for one of the original 13 Senki. Long-term power-scaling will still become a potential issue, but this simple change would make the end game accessible to everyone, as intended. This would also be the quickest/least labor-intensive solution.

it took 3months for DMM to change gatcha to what its now.
there was no free 5* in 10er normal draw, as it is here..
and they changed the Normal gatcha to 50.
nutaku never said they will or wont change it and i hope they stay close to the dmm changes.
also every other draw is paid maga in DMM too.
senkis from that pool will be added to the Normal after some time.

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Seriously
What is the point of the dojo? The durema drop rate seems so low that it is just a waste of Stamina!
I finished all 30 levels and only got about 4 duremas and they were in the lower levels. it seems to me its just another way getting people to waste their magatama on absolutely nothing

Originally Posted by Unregistered

150k is the normal prize, no misstake.
limited senkis cost 500k in DMM.
also, you cant use nonhumans in TW in the DMM version either.

...I stand corrected, then.

How many people playing on the JP server actually use the points exchange at those prices?

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Seriously
What is the point of the dojo? The durema drop rate seems so low that it is just a waste of Stamina!
I finished all 30 levels and only got about 4 duremas and they were in the lower levels. it seems to me its just another way getting people to waste their magatama on absolutely nothing

so as a guest, everyone can post in ur post?
owell, dojo is for farming darumas, wich are luck drops only.
means you need in slot 1 and 2 your own 99 luck senki and a 99 luck friend to get max drops.
for starters u can easily make 3* generics 40 luck or like everyone else Enma.
best way to farm is stage 1 to 5 bc you can get 3 3* darumas for 1 STAM.
the game was a long time top 10 in jap. now with the mobile release (mobile is #3) + new games, it dropped quite a bit on pc.
but no idea how many are useing ex. im saving tho.

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C'mon staff, you are literally GRINDING the free players here

I only drew the 80 magatma gacha for my 5* and due to college constraints I haven't been able to get any other 5* senki,

When i finally collect another 40mags i see the limited 5* draw with the paid ones !!!

I assure you that kind of game is not for "all kinds of players" and I feel offend by it.

you are beginning to turn off many potential customers here.