Thread: "New" upcoming game: Cosmic Shock League

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Question about gameplay. Will we play against another players in real time or vs their teams like in Gems of War for example. The first option may cause problems with matchmaking.

Originally Posted by Draghorn

So I used to play Primal Legends (the game they say they were inspired by for this game), and as far as I could tell that game was using real-time multiplayer. Don't know what they plan for this game, though.

That's correct, it will be realtime turn based PvP, as well as a pretty extensive PvE saga campaign. The matchmaking issue is one of the biggest challenges we have for sure, but we have taken some steps to reduce the risk.

1. There will be R18 mobile and web versions at launch on Nutaku or within 2-3 weeks of each other at the most.
2. We also plan to launch non-adult versions on other web portals and on IOS and Google Play
3. We're not currently exclusive on Nutaku (Although it's our main target platform for sure) so we may launch it on other adult sites and host also it ourselves.

All players across R18 and non-adult (on all platforms) will be able to compete in the same tournaments, hopefully reducing the waiting times significantly. Also keep in mind that the player base on Nutaku is over a million unique users a month now, it's a far cry from the days of Angelic Saga when it was a very lonely place.

When you say 'real time turn-based PvP,' do you mean scheduled PvP windows a la Dragon Providence? Because that's what made me quit playing that game.

I think I can answer this since again, I'm a former player of the game this is inspired from.

When they say turn-based it mean each player takes alternating turns moving pieces on their own board to attack the opponents board. Now that I remember in Primal Legends when it was your turn you could move about 3 of your pieces to attack the opponents board. After you ran out of moves for your turn it was your opponent's turn and they could move 3 pieces on their board to attack you.

But no, no scheduled PvP where you and all PvP participants have to gather at a specific time. The game just match makes with everyone else that is looking for a match at the same time you are looking. Again this is all based on my knowledge of the game they mentioned in the OP.

1 million users huh. Nice.

My main site is getting close to that in recent months. Maybe soon.
But that is mostly all JP people. Wonder how many JP nutaku get.. heh.

Originally Posted by Kotono

1 million users huh. Nice.

My main site is getting close to that in recent months. Maybe soon.
But that is mostly all JP people. Wonder how many JP nutaku get.. heh.

Not so many I believe, I think last I remember was around 25% US 6.3%, Germany, 4% Brazilian then France.... and so on. The Japanese that try to navigate to Nutaku are redirected to DMM.com and vice versa. Unless they use a proxy.

What's your main site btw?

Thing is Dragon Providence's set times means it's more likely people will be on at the same time to have interesting fights.

With no set times, you need a much larger active player base to have a reliable chance of matching up with somebody any random time you attempt a PvP match. Which is why most "niche" online games I've played with "real" PvP usually have a set time during which it can occur, in order to concentrate everybody together.

I would hope/expect there is some sort of fallback AI opponent (Asynchronous PvP? fighting somebody elses characters but controlled by AI?) if it takes too long to find an actual player doing PvP, or it seems likely it'll be hard to get going. Constantly attempting to do PvP but not finding a match will drop players fast, and the more drop, the harder it will be for remaining players to find a match. (I also assume there's some sort of time-out for turns. Turn based PvP sorta requires that or people can indefinitely stall a match if things aren't going well by simply not taking their turn.)

It sounds like one of the ways they are trying to mitigate the problem of finding another player to play with is by trying to make it so that all versions of the game can match make with each other. They say they are making a clean version also that can be distributed on the app stores as well, and it sounds like they are going to try to make all those versions match make with each other. So it sounds like they are going to try to get the game into multiple markets to keep the game from being too "niche" to match make properly. (By the way, I really don't like the scheduled PvP in DP. I'd rather schedule my games around my life instead of scheduling my life around a game.)

As for the turns, Primal Legends had time limits on each player's turns, so if you waited to long you would forfeit any moves you had left at the end of the turn time limit. I'm assuming CSL will do the same thing.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I would hope/expect there is some sort of fallback AI opponent (Asynchronous PvP? fighting somebody elses characters but controlled by AI?))

This is actually a really nice idea... We do have a pretty good AI at this stage in the PvE saga, we could add a Player Vs AI in PvP if the player doesn't find an opponent after x amount of time. Using Heroes from a player close to your own level and changing the name to something like "Jimmy - Bot"

Originally Posted by Draghorn

It sounds like one of the ways they are trying to mitigate the problem of finding another player to play with is by trying to make it so that all versions of the game can match make with each other. They say they are making a clean version also that can be distributed on the app stores as well, and it sounds like they are going to try to make all those versions match make with each other. So it sounds like they are going to try to get the game into multiple markets to keep the game from being too "niche" to match make properly. (By the way, I really don't like the scheduled PvP in DP. I'd rather schedule my games around my life instead of scheduling my life around a game.)

As for the turns, Primal Legends had time limits on each player's turns, so if you waited to long you would forfeit any moves you had left at the end of the turn time limit. I'm assuming CSL will do the same thing.

All totally correct, nice summary! The main challenge we have is rolling it out on enough platforms for launch. Each one has it's own payment systems and API's so it takes a little time to integrate safely. Nutaku continues to grow (despite the DMM games closing), but is it big enough to support a healthy PvP game environment. Probably not, if I was to guess. Throne of Legends will be a good test for the site in terms of PvP, just not sure if fans of that genre are up for getting into another hearthstone type game.

FWIW, King's Raid has the type of Asynchronous AI fallback I was talking about.

(that said, it's one of those real-time games that can pretty much play itself, though the user can turn off auto mode) If you're up against somebody that's actually online, there's a little "online" indicator on the initial matchup screen. If you're currently fighting AI when another player launches an arena fight, it'll pull you out of your current fight, (giving you a victory, though I strongly suspect you only get a fraction of the normal rank points for victory), to fight the new player.

Incidentally, It's probably kind of strange for a match 3 game, but any thought to having an auto mode for people that don't like match 3 games, but like the art/collecting/building up characters?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Incidentally, It's probably kind of strange for a match 3 game, but any thought to having an auto mode for people that don't like match 3 games, but like the art/collecting/building up characters?

Thanks for the suggestions, we'll look into the auto mode for sure and also check out this game you mention



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