Thread: plat units = to blacks

as the title says what are the plat units that are pretty close to a black unit if not better. just rolled sasha. her skill looks pretty damn good

Originally Posted by switch

as the title says what are the plat units that are pretty close to a black unit if not better. just rolled sasha. her skill looks pretty damn good

Jerome, Gellius, Spica, Chydis/Saria, Elizabeth, Rachel/Anelia, Lilia, Thetis, Sabine, Priest warrior Serra, Nadia (if I don't put her here exk will kill me), Raven, Marius...
that's about all I guess?

well i have 3 of those on my main aha and 2 blacks :P gonna have to keep on re rolling till i get either 2 plats or a black

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and will have spica soon as i get around to her aha i keep aw'ing my units instead aha

I kinda agree and disagree with sora again. I mean , i guess he's talking about the dmm version of units, but those were buff-ed and altered quite a bit. Also there are units there that we don't have yet , so i'll keep it to what we have :

Spica is nowhere near black level. And that's coming from somewone that has all the archers in the game (with the exception of elizabeth >>> which is a pseudoblack i argee on this one). Hell , victoria has better dps then spica , but spica is better for other reasons , and nanaly still blows every other archer out of the water. Right now , in the archer department , Nanaly stands out as the black , and the rest are obvious plats , with elizabeth (technically she's not an archer) , being the closest in terms of raw damage , on unarmored targets.

Not sure if i'd clasify chydis either , but considering the black healer we have in our game , i guess chydis (hell , even camilla can outheal liana) can clasify as pseudoblacks for our version.

Tethis becomes a pseudoblack after awakening just vs a specific kind of situation (vs paralizying enemies) , otherwise clisa is still better


Gelius is the singple most powerfull tank in the game , and should be considered a black for all intends and purposes.

Jerome/Marius ? Well , they are the best of their clasds.....but we kinda lack a black of their class to compare in our version. Well , i guess they could be considered so if we wanted because of that


That being said , i'd add uzume to the list

Originally Posted by soranokira

Jerome, Gellius, Spica, Chydis/Saria, Elizabeth, Rachel/Anelia, Lilia, Thetis, Sabine, Priest warrior Serra, Nadia (if I don't put her here exk will kill me), Raven, Marius...
that's about all I guess?

Why Thetis..i know she is a princess bt still not as par as sybillia...not even a little close...

Also i read somewhere that Beatrice is better than Rachel...(hard for me to belive) conformation plz..
Also why is Camillia, Echidna or Solano not in the list...no Yurina either..

tethis > the valk , not themis.

Edit : i agree with solano. she's a monster

Oh sorry..my bad..

yes, I am basing my judgment from DMM data, and many of them are rather subjective and borderline failing to meet the mark. units like thetis only barely make it due to relatively high stats, immunity to status and not needing to sacrifice her def. (also yes, she loses to clissa. but you see, we're saying which plats either almost match up to blacks or overtake completely here. I'd say it's fair to put thetis up near the almost-match-up part)
spica obviously doesnt match up to nanaly's x5 shot in 5s (or 4shots in 1s), but disregarding skill timers, spica has good attack speed, with the option of further boosting her attack/range or changing it to magical entirely. Victoria's slower attack speed just can't match up in this regard.

Uzume is rejected in my list because matsuri is outright better in virtually every way (except the lack of 5% attack to ranged units) from what I can tell. (and I mean lol I almost can't do shit with Uzume aside from planting her somewhere for atk buff and attack boost skill. Matsuri has ranged skill attack. just...nope.)

chydis has the raw healing power to match blacks, while saria is actually better than her thanks to increased healing speed + multiple heals. I was tempted to throw in Marle as well but...her AW skill isn't fantastic, so I can't say shit yet until we get a black feng shui to compare.

Elizabeth is...just brutal.

Anelia is another one...just brutal. Rachel excels in another manner: she has Aisha range, that is all.

Lilia has the brutal duelist power that just about none other can match. sherry has nice ranged multi-target damage, but I feel Olivie can do it better in terms of raw dps. but Lilia can match up to Olivie solely due to her anti-magic enemy capabilities. (if olivie had like 50% more hp, I'd throw lilia out of this list as well)

Sabine...true damage vs Ingrid's MR reduction. barely enough but I'd say she passes in that.

Raven has no black to compare to, but she's outright broken anyway so she deserves to make it here. Same goes for Nadia. ask exk for details regarding nadia.
Marius has both high attack and toggle ability, so I'll just throw him there as a pretty good bishop. He doesn't have Eterna's double cast, but I'd say he suffices.
Serra's another one with no black to challenge, but I saw her skill so...I'd say she does her job pretty damn well. for an event unit nonetheless.

edit: solano is also out of my list due to Farune pretty much doing what she can. and more. but...well, I have no idea really. at this point I havent judged for myself the difference between the 2 so yeah...
I find nothing fantastic about Camilla which seems like a powered up Iris. if she makes it under comparable to black I might as well throw every plat healer in. Chydis simply has the raw healing power outside of skill, but she kinda barely makes it as well. Saria still takes top spot.
Echidna is...nothing solid can be concluded of the dragon shaman class as it is, honestly.
Beatrice can NEVER beat rachel. NEVER. period. after considering Rachel's skill AW, it's just insane to put the 2 together.

I'd put Solano on the list, tbh, if only because Farune is so underperforming otherwise. But yeah, it's more of a testament that summoners are already good as a mincost event plat, rather than the plat itself being as good as a black.

And while we're including other event units, Shiho and Rika excel at their jobs, even if they don't have black-tier equivalents (on our end, anyway).

I'd add Sherry and Shizuka to the list.