Thread: [Chat Chit] DMM FKG

Originally Posted by Mindrunner

Some posts were edited by the mods, but it seems that he called some members "shills". And I only know of one kind of species that does this (the ISF has tons of threads about these "people" (I don't see them as people...)...).

Read through it and all I can say is wow. There's no easy way around discussing it without pissing someone off. So I'll try and keep it brief with the perspective of someone who played Nutaku and then came to DMM. While it is true some people take a giant dump on Nutaku just to rile things, there are many (including myself) who are giving valid, even if harsh, criticisms. I can understand from their side they don't want to see FKG go down in flames after all the time and money they've dropped on that version. DMM is not perfect by any means, but I have a much harder time finding significant issues to criticize. With the issue in that thread, I could understand wanting the equivalent of $10 for a girl that cost roughly $7 in Japan. But wanting $25 is a reflection of the greed so many have taken issue with. So I understand where Eab is coming from, but the conversation was taken too far, too salty, and too derogatory.

P.S. I didn't know about this "himeuta" page. Do a lot of you guys hang out there too?

Oh, so it was the mess back in Agave deal. Seriously, before they included FG, it was really messed up. But after that if you usually buy FG, it was not bad. Aside from that is no comment. Or well just one, I don't like Nutaku, but I don't want the game to closed out of spite. Whether it's FKG or other games.

Well, Himeuta is forum that widely talk about JP game.
But I believe Kancolle and / or WOW is main, since they have title like Rear-Admiral, Captain etc.
I don't have account there, but lots of my native friend stay there.

About Nutaku FKG will close or not? I believe it won't.
I admit player in game keep decreasing all the time, and everyone know what the cause.
Change it then everything will be back to what it should.
If not Nutaku FKG will turn into whale pool, but it will still playable hahaha.

Eab do mention GS long-term maint, I'll why it's happen.
GS has to be on temporary close from 2 main reason according to my friend intel.
1. There is serious bug in gacha machine system from the very beginning of game service.
Devs try to fix it but it can't be fix, no matter what they do.
2. The current GS devs fail to make GS be player 2nd home / world.
They can't create usefull campaign, gameplay or deal to help player active in game more then run event and gone.

But in the first place Eab shouldn't post something like that on Himeuta.

Originally Posted by twilightdream

GS has to be on temporary close from 2 main reason according to my friend intel.
1. There is serious bug in gacha machine system from the very beginning of game service.
Devs try to fix it but it can't be fix, no matter what they do.
2. The current GS devs fail to make GS be player 2nd home / world.
They can't create usefull campaign, gameplay or deal to help player active in game more then run event and gone.

But in the first place Eab shouldn't post something like that on Himeuta.

Well if its only temporary and they are working on getting things back on track I can wait. I did like the game and its aesthetics.
Hope they will be as generous with their compensation as in FKG, since the game has been "down" (not really down per say, but more like without any content, shop resets, etc pretty much a "frozen in time" state) for what now... 2 weeks ? 3 ? Maybe even more.

The post that's start all story is a clearly trap.
Eab just got hit by it, and R.I.P. That's all.

I believe Mindrunner does have an update for Nutaku news.
But he just want to pinpoint to that first wtf daily-deal.

Myrdin ; We can hope GS will re-open in November.
They will run smartphone app for GS around that time maybe, not remember well.

I said in dat other thread in the HCB

Nutaku ain't da only playa in Hentai business but the main one in these Hentai gacha online games, I dont' see anyone in dat role

Manga Gamer does license and distribute physical and digital uncensored Hentai games - bit of overlap w/ Nutaku since they do downloadable games from Japan and Patreon or whatever they find American Hentai stuf

Games of Desire does full on Hentai games - you can't make kiddy versions of these kids, no Gacha - not likely a threat to Nutaku



Zone Sama - another Rules 34 (ugh Americans can't even think up their own original work and do porn parodies - not a threat to Nutaku

for now, there is no other place besides DMM and Nutaku to play these games

been a customer for all these guys before I moved on to Nutaku and then DMM -

Originally Posted by twilightdream

The post that's start all story is a clearly trap.
Eab just got hit by it, and R.I.P. That's all.

I believe Mindrunner does have an update for Nutaku news.
But he just want to pinpoint to that first wtf daily-deal.

I understand that English isn't your first language and I very much doubt I am proficient in your first tongue to offer an alternative, so I may misunderstand what you're trying to say here. If so, bear with me.

A few things:

1) It sounds like you're saying that Mindrunner does keep up with events on the Nutaku side. If that's the case, then why was he pretending ignorance regarding the Agave Daily Deal by referring to it as a "new paywall" when it was nothing of the sort? Pretending ignorance would only serve to incite anyone who doesn't keep up with Nutaku and if that's so then he's the worst kind of troll: surviving on ignorance in others because he can't make an otherwise decent argument. I mean, maybe he is that kind of person, but I was giving him the benefit of the doubt in that he didn't really know and was simply out of touch and making a statement based on his well-documented disdain towards Nutaku. The difference is that the former is a despicable liar with a self-aggrandizing agenda and the latter is simply someone with an axe to grind who didn't take the time to check something out first.

2) I realize I'm probably in the minority here, but I don't really see the point in making constant comparisons between DMM and Nutaku when it comes to FKG. Yeah, on the DMM side you could get Agave for about 30% of what Nutaku was initially offering her for (before adding in the 25 FGs), but on the Nutaku side, the 5* girls are typically $20. I didn't really see the issue with another $5 tacked on to reflect her relative rarity considering she can't be otherwise pulled. Which isn't to say that I think paying that much for a sub-par 5* is a great deal, but before the FG additions it was pretty clearly aimed at the collectors who wouldn't mind paying for her, and that was obviously looking like a very shallow pool which is why the FGs were added. I wouldn't have paid $25 for just her, but the added FGs made it a lot more appealing for me to buy.

3) This last one isn't so much directed at you, but there does seem to be a rather loud clique here that really seems to object to Nutaku making money and I honestly don't get it since DMM very clearly has aspects that almost exclusively cater to the paying crowd. Yeah, DMM showers players with all kinds of freebies, but from the admittedly anecdotal evidence I've seen here, the drop rates seem significantly more favorable to players on the Nutaku side. I don't know if it's just that these people really suck at math and are stuck on getting "free stuff", or if their animosity is just an emotional investment. Pro tip: if you feel something is too expensive, then don't buy it. If not enough people buy, then any company (including Nutaku) will adjust pricing until people do buy. If enough people bought it, then you weren't the targeted customers in the first place. Yelling about how something was too expensive and Company X is greedy just makes you look bitter and poor since most people would just shrug their shoulders and spend the money on something that was more important.

I generally refrain from posting in here since this thread has of late become a "bash Nutaku and people who play it" mire and so long as it's been confined here I couldn't care less, but Mindrunner's post that I responded to was just a bit much. Eab and I have had one rather heated exchange on this forum so far, and probably disagree on other things as well, but taking something that happened on another forum and bringing it here for no constructive purpose, in fact the intent seems patently obvious to troll him, isn't right.

wait maintenance 0 need to start getting used to DMM updates

so dat means the event is over? well, you lose , you win some - was gonna get all dem gold

Also, Nazuna might revived my interest in sexy librarians

Originally Posted by Mindrunner

The first thing you see in the morning is this. Wow, just...wow..



You don't like bashing, yet you're doing the same in the bold parts + some personal attacks.

Let's see what the mods find about this.

It's because of people like yourself that you can't discuss ANYTHING about Nutaku on this site as Game2534 did himself in July (forgot what that was) but Zandel decided to wear his shiny white armor, because critising (probably spelled that wrong) not agreeing with something that Nameless & Co. do, in regards to either paywalls or getting free stuff. You can do that over here, however.

@twilight: No, it's not. Eab went AWOL and broke the rules. Many members over there aren't ok with the DMM paywalls either, but they chose "the lesser evil one". You can compare that with real games. Nutaku is the demo, while DMM is the whole package but for some reason most people over here prefer the demo than having the whole game instead.

And if you don't care, why bother commenting? Oh right, White knight codes. Forgot about that.

And this is the second time I get a shitstorm over me for no fucking reason at all, and this forum is supossed to be a "friendly community"? Sure, as long as you don't address the things they don't like. And this is the problem with MANY forums I've seen in the past 11 years. With the exception of one, namely the ISF.

So, I'm leaving (basically don't know why I still stayed here since I have nothing to do with Nutaku anymore + Myrdin will be pleased with this news...)

If Kurenai sees this post (if it's still here), can you tell me on himeuta (account is TribalNugget) whether they actually got a free rainbow and 4 golds around chrismas (post is from a guy called MrHueHue or something) or not, since you switched around that time, so.

The funny thing is, I'm not bashing you or anyone in the response you quoted. I'm stating hypothetical reasons that I can see for why someone would do what they did depending on whether they knew the facts beforehand or not, and even gave you the benefit of the doubt that you just didn't know. The only way I could possibly have been bashing you there is if you really did know that the Agave Daily Deal wasn't a paywall of any kind and chose to ignore it so that you could stir shit up and troll Eab1990 (where I stated that the kind of person who would do that is the worst kind of troll that survives on ignorance). Now, if you really want to see bashing, please refer to my previous response where I suggested that you are a victim-seeking martyr to which I can only add that your response here substantiates that suggestion fairly well.

Do you seriously think you're getting flak for no reason at all? You can't be that ignorant, especially when I've made pretty clear my beef with you bringing one forum's drama here for no reason other than to bash/troll a member of this forum and added language that suggested that you either didn't know the truth (about the Daily Deal situation) or were ignoring it. Do you think bringing another forum's drama here to troll someone is the action of someone that is part of a "friendly community"?

You making yourself out to be the victim over one person taking umbrage with you is rather in keeping with your modus operandi. Personally, I don't care if you stay or go, but if you staying means instigating future drama here, then I'd rather see you leave.

Originally Posted by Mindrunner

The first thing you see in the morning is this. Wow, just...wow..



You don't like bashing, yet you're doing the same in the bold parts + some personal attacks.

Let's see what the mods find about this.

It's because of people like yourself that you can't discuss ANYTHING about Nutaku on this site as Game2534 did himself in July (forgot what that was) but Zandel decided to wear his shiny white armor, because critising (probably spelled that wrong) not agreeing with something that Nameless & Co. do, in regards to either paywalls or getting free stuff. You can do that over here, however.

@twilight: No, it's not. Eab went AWOL and broke the rules. Many members over there aren't ok with the DMM paywalls either, but they chose "the lesser evil one". You can compare that with real games. Nutaku is the demo, while DMM is the whole package but for some reason most people over here prefer the demo than having the whole game instead.

And if you don't care, why bother commenting? Oh right, White knight codes. Forgot about that.

And this is the second time I get a shitstorm over me for no fucking reason at all, and this forum is supossed to be a "friendly community"? Sure, as long as you don't address the things they don't like. And this is the problem with MANY forums I've seen in the past 11 years. With the exception of one, namely the ISF.

So, I'm leaving (basically don't know why I still stayed here since I have nothing to do with Nutaku anymore + Myrdin will be pleased with this news...)

If Kurenai sees this post (if it's still here), can you tell me on himeuta (account is TribalNugget) whether they actually got a free rainbow and 4 golds around chrismas (post is from a guy called MrHueHue or something) or not, since you switched around that time, so.

No need to leave Mindrunner. There are still plenty of friendly people here. Please don't let a few in the minority drive you off.

Taon, in much the same regards as I said about Eab, people here present valid criticisms of the apparent greed to which Nutaku operates. We don't suck at math and go googly for free stuff as you imply. That statement is a bit insulting, if not unfair. As stated, that character could be received by spending about $7 on a LN in Japan for the code. I can understand $10, maybe even $15. But wanting $25 for that girl is obviously asking too much. As for "free stuff", we recognize that DMM actually cares about customer service and keeping its players happy, especially with stuff to apologize for delays or bugs. You rarely see this from Nutaku. Or, as famously noted, when dealing with problems they brag about going on a "fabulous vacation" and leave us out to dry to deal with the problems. These are fair criticisms. Taking offense and insulting those who bring up these issues does not help. If a person is being bad about it in their comments supposedly, respond respectfully or just choose to ignore it. Be the better person. We have and will continue to bring up fair criticisms of Nutaku in this thread. A majority here no longer wish to bring those to the Nutaku related threads because we know it's a moot point because of arguments like this. So let's just drop the hostilities, apologize where needed and move on.