Thread: HBC's FKG 6* Tier List

Yeah but if all 6* deserve a A Tier or S Tier it would be too balanced and tiering would be meanless. A good and balanced power repartition should be very rare S Tier, few A Tier, a great amount of B Tier, a small amount of C Tier and a few D Tier. If we dont get this, maybe we should rethink our tiering system.

Right now we have a lot of A Tier but that because we just started and most of the very old 6* are amazingly unbalanced at all. As you said, the newer ones would be more often B Tier or C Tier with some exceptions.

Honestly, I am fine with the suggestions so far. In truth that is what influenced my decision when I really thought about it. S-Tier is for the absolutely broken girls. A-Tier are the rainbows that aren't broken but must haves that you should definitely be excited to get. B Tier are the girls that aren't must haves but certainly nice to have. C and D tiers are when major weaknesses are exposed overall for the girl just as we pointed out with Cattleya and Daisy.

You might have noticed that I`ve been using + and -
To me girl is automatically a minimum C- if she has only skill act. Anything else, starts to add up on that and push her higher. If she doesnt have Skill act she starts from D. I always consider internal and external synergy. Not a "one skill one point" but more of a "how do these skills work with each other (Boss/Boss fight. Crit/Crit dmg. SolarB/Crystal/Light gauge, etc) in the context of the stats and theme of the knight in question. And how does the knight in question work in sinergy with other knights and can you achieve any type of build with her, or are her skills a complete a complete mess of random abilities that have no clear direction and leave you wondering "Just what the heck was her designer doing ?"

Also I believe the votes are skewed because people keep constantly thinking about the S Tier.
S tier should not even be a thing, as there are maybe "2/3 girls there which is more of a exception than a normal thing.
A tier should be the pinnacle of power "creme de la creme" so to say. As maotd said - girls you should be thinking loong and hard about getting because they are very good and can perform at top tier condition.

I think because people subconsciously consider S tier as No1 and A tier as No2 you tend to be more generous with dealing those "A"s.

I will be occasionally posting here as well Wut - when I have time, or if its a girl I have a special interest in. I just dont have enough energy to comment on every girl twice a week .... and when I write you know I tend to write a lot (but I am trying to control myself I swear mofu :3).
And I do read this thread even if I dont comment as much as In the beginning.
As such If a situation like this happens, i will make time to write a short comment (A bit longer then I did this time, but I was at work and holy molly the shitstorm we had here yesterday was real eugh...)

Yeah most of us already use +/- in votes so shouldn't be to difficult to get the voting done. Also since Myrdin proposed to write a vote if a draw occurs that would be an additional factor influencing the final result.

We came a long way:

S-Tier(God-Tier)	Dogwood, Kerria
A-Tier(Amazing-Tier)	Dendrobium, Red Ginger, Cactus, Japanese Apricot, Sakura, Peach Blossom, Anemone
B-Tier(Good-Tier)	Black Baccara, Chocolate Lily, Cherry, Pink
C-Tier(Decent-Tier)	Cattleya, Daisy
D-Tier(Meh-Tier)

Looking over the list overall i am happy with the results so far. Sure there are always some girls we all vote a little bit different and neither of us will be in 100% agreement with all choices made but overall it looks appropriate to me. I suspect only one other girl reaching S-Tier status so shouldn't be more than 3 anyway. I also think there won't be any new A-Tiers for at least some time.

Hmm the current Girl to vote is Iono. Since there are quite a lot Evasion Girls i think i will compare her to other Evasion Girls and see if she can hold her own against the competition. I will use Myrdin's Knight Quarters for research

Since I have Iono, let me start this one I have Daisy and Cattleya, but I care not for either of them, plus at that time I was burned out to write anything. Iono is an exception since she is a girl I ticket picked, not for stats but because how derpy adorbs she is. The fact she worked for Evasion team which I wanted to build at that time also helped.

The derpy derp, or also known as Ionocidium or Iono for short, is one of the first Evasion girls to come up with the Evasion Archetype and as such does suffer from power creep that has occurred late into the game.
Now what I am going to write here about Iono, also applies to Freesia down the line as these two have identical skill set, and only differ in their stat line.

Stats: wise Iono is pretty solid, overall her stats are on the upper side. Her awesome speed of 650 also helps balancing out slower girls in the team.

Active skill is the usual AoE 2.8 at usual proc rates so nothing to write about this.
The effect of the ultimate is pretty nice, and was cool looking back in the day. These days its not as impressive but still looks pretty especially since Iono grows tiny angel wings while in the air.

Abilities:
Dmg - the usual dmg buff, nothing special. Only note that its on the lower spectrum of 18%, 20% being the standard.
Skill act - the standard 1.2 always good always useful.
Skill damage - 10% not bad, not amazing. Less than the usual papercut the girls tend to get when buffed with no real vision (poor Aizoon and her 15%)
Evasion - 80%/50% again, the usual 6* Evasion. Against enemies who dont have increased Accuracy a unit of girls with Evasion, can last surprisingly long. A good skill in an of itself.
Re-Act: Iono being the First girl to have Re-Act, she was left with the sad 40%. Especially after girls like Bush Clover and Promoted King Prothea who rock insane 60% this feel very lack luster. While its still about 1/3 chance to act again, these days anything under 50% is just mehh...

As you can see Iono doesnt have a bad skill setup, but compared to other girls just in THE SAME ARCHETYPE she already falls behind.
If you want an amazing Re-Act girl go pick Bush Clover.
While she has synergy in between her Skill act and Skill dmg, and she is a endurance dps character, evading enemy shots and acting multiple times, the 40% is just to little to warrant any real reliabilty.

Personally unless you like her, I would not go with Iono (or Freesia for that matter) if building a Re-Act team.
This girl (both of them) needs some loving and hugging.
I dont see the devs improving upon her Evasion% chance, but its possible she will get one more ability. And since she already has Skill damage, it most likely will be some shit like "Weak X". Something that will not help her skin to a better tier, nor make her stronger of a girl.

Possible fixes ?
She would benefit the most from improving her %. To make her really good at Re-acting. Otherwise the few skills that are being added to girls after update, are Dmg related - either some sort of direct dmg type ability, Skill dmg, or Weakness damage buff.
In this case giving her dmg buff per # or dmg at the end turn would be fairly useful. Although I would love to see a girl other than Slash to get Pursuit and I think that would fit Iono with her Re-Act, to flesh her character as a "derpy, sleepy huntress".
Worst case of "buff" in Ionos case would be a "Weaknes X" thing. Unless they gave her at least two different types, like "Weakness M. & B." which would actually be of moderate use. I hope she can Evade (fu~fu~ get it? Evade? Evasion girl? .... right I will see myself out now~) that sort of crap and get something actually useful. It is not comletely impossible as Anemone did get full Crit bundle, and some other Girls did as well, so Iono getting an actual useful ability is possible.

Rating: Solid C
*You can use this exact comment to apply to Freesia when doing her review, once we get there, without me needing to double post and just change the names and few lines.

As she is now Iono is OK, but not amazing, and there is no real reson to pick her other than you wanting her.

Miscellaneous:
Iono has a washed out simplitic art style. Not many details or highlights are used, but it has a refreshing feel, because up to this point all the girls used high detail artwork. Her derpy derp sprite animation is much loved, and she also has a funny fairly adorable Xmass version which you can alter to. Sometimes less is more and in case of Iono I think it worked out just fine.

Back to the raitaing with paper only Ionocidium.

Stats:
HP: Just enough to be over my 20k threshold. it's not bad, butnot really good. Just descent.
ATK: It's not a bad ATK stat but far from the best. Just in the middle.
DEF: Nice DEF stat, above the 3k so that's ok for me. But Iono is not espacially a defensive girl.
Stats are not bad but not especially good. It's plain average.

Skill
2.8x damage to all, 37% skill act.
A very classic all target skill. Good to handle... a lot a target. I have nothing more to say than I already said for other girls with that kind of skill.

Abilities
x1.2 skill rate
Nice to have like all the other girls with that.

+18% ATK for all
Good but below the average. Even some golds have a similar ATK buff (like her Christmas Ver.).

+10% skill damages for all
Here again, not that bad but still low. Usually it's +15% skill damages. Here it's more gold level (+8% for Iono Christmas or +10% for Creeping Jenny for example).

40% chance of re-act
Okay that's better. 40% is low when you know there is girls with 60% but it's better than the other abilities.

80% Evasion first two turns and 50% after
Very classic evade ability. But that's really interesting with her re-act ability. It gives her a longer life and more chance to use her re-act. Thoses two ability works well and benefits from the skill act and skill damage buff.
But that's not enough to make her really powerful.

Team Build
She is a bit to meh to belong in a solid high level team of any archetype out of an evasion team (and I'm not sure she can be called must have for an evasion team). But she is still useful and go in almost every lower level team for easier maps. For me that's her power. Not good to shines in very good teams but she brings a cool support with her Evade+Re-act for every teams a bit too weak.

Conclusion
Not a bad girl, not a good girl. She is average. She has an interesting Evade+Re-act combo but her other abilities are on the low side (even her re-act). She lacks of pure offensive power and good support for her friends. But her averagism make her really flexible to fit in almost every team when you still lack THE right girl.

Final verdict:
I guess she can be C Tier. For interesting stuff but she has too many low point in her abilities and stats and nothing special to really shines.

Are we allowed to vote if we only play on Nutaku, or is this DMM only? :P
...There's no fun voting threads for 6*s there.

Sry but this thread is for DMM only. The Abilities are just not the same and Nutaku lacks Blooms.
An A-tier girl on Nutaku might only be C-Tier on DMM due to Powercreep.

If you want to judge girls based on their DMM Ability Sets/Stats you could vote i guess. It would be preferable if you had some DMM experience though.