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Feel free to quit, but seriously, http://imgur.com/BIWteYF
http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showpost.php...ostcount=14228
http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showpost.php...ostcount=14246

and fyi, we're not saying you can't frown at nutaku. but doesn't mean you shouldn't try standing in their shoes. You don't work at nutaku, so you won't ever know their actual situation inside out. you're probably right to say that payment processors aren't likely to check up regularly, but doesn't mean they don't monitor their clients occasionally. businesses may cut off working partnerships if they deem the continuation of the relationship may harm them. Also, you never know whether they really have compliance teams in nutaku if they deem nutaku necessary to be paid more attention to. nothing in this world is fixed. Unlikely, but never absolute.

and tomaa was making a fair point which was in reply to the core topic of what nutakudev requested of us.

edited because I tried to delete this post but failed.

Every time I see the argument "go find another payment processor", I find myself thinking "then do it yourself". If you don't like a company, find another one. If you can't find a replacement, make one. Be a rival company and either outperform or corner a niche. That's how the market works. Terminating relations with a company is absolutely ordinary and nothing to get sentimental over.

Not so easy, remember Wikileaks boycott.

However, i agree with that. Epoch billing support sucks, they doesn't like money, i wanted to switch from Safetypay to other payment method and i was stuck like three months because purchases with Safetypay was did with raw cash, not credit/debit card.

And now i'm stuck again, perhaps i will need to use Paypal or debit to get Airu card in a few days.

I hope they consider to ADD other payment processors. I know who is Epoch owner: Mindgeek, owner of Brazzers and DP and their content is present on Nutaku (see Hellfire Girls), so isn't easy for Nutaku to break those ties.

Originally Posted by chillinfar

I hope they consider to ADD other payment processors. I know who is Epoch owner: Mindgeek, owner of Brazzers and DP and their content is present on Nutaku (see Hellfire Girls), so isn't easy for Nutaku to break those ties.

That would explain a lot. I'm sure it's only the surface of the sticky situation.

Originally Posted by Schverika

Every time I see the argument "go find another payment processor", I find myself thinking "then do it yourself". If you don't like a company, find another one. If you can't find a replacement, make one. Be a rival company and either outperform or corner a niche. That's how the market works. Terminating relations with a company is absolutely ordinary and nothing to get sentimental over.

Who is this even directed to?

It's not our obligation as customers to find better alternatives for Nutaku to get our money. It's their job to make it more appealing for us to spend.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

It's not our obligation as customers to find better alternatives for Nutaku to get our money. It's their job to make it more appealing for us to spend.

No it's not obligation. Acting only out of obligation is not how you get the most out of the world. "It's somebody else's problem" doesn't automatically exclude you from solving it yourself (and reaping the benefits).

Originally Posted by Schverika

No it's not obligation. Acting only out of obligation is not how you get the most out of the world. "It's somebody else's problem" doesn't automatically exclude you from solving it yourself (and reaping the benefits).

That's not how a business works. The "do it yourself" argument makes no sense, or there'd be no point to things like customer service. If we're dissatisfied, we find alternatives or we complain. Since viable alternatives don't exist yet (don't say DMM), I and others will complain and be justified in our complaints until we at least get some decent compromises on their end.

The consistent event schedule is a start, but that was something the Aigis devs were obligated to do (and not doing so likely made their profits suffer). The fact that we're still missing the basic Mischa/Nenya or us not getting Claire/Bella in this gold rush when we already have units like Phyllis is still cause for concern. As I said earlier, the Aigis devs made the decision that they don't want to do the extra work of taking the all-ages routes or giving us suitable replacements, so it's on Nutaku to work their way around that.

At any rate, this is just shifting the blame. It's ultimately still Nutaku's responsibility, especially since they're the ones with all the information. Implying that we should be looking for a solution when they won't even bother to elaborate on things like what truly constitutes loli in the payment processor's eyes is a fool's errand.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

That's not how a business works.

It's how the free market works. Entrepreneurship.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

If we're dissatisfied, we find alternatives or we complain.

You've just stated my point, right after saying "your point doesn't make sense". You misunderstood my point.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

Since viable alternatives don't exist yet

We call this a "market opportunity".

Originally Posted by Eab1990

I and others will complain and be justified in our complaints

It's ultimately still Nutaku's responsibility

Of course you're justified. Of course it's their responsibility. Letting that be an excuse to not do more hinders progress.

Your line of argument is based on rationalizing reasons why you shouldn't even think of becoming the viable alternative. What you should be doing is listing all the reasons why you personally can't make your own company and forge favourable relations with other companies to deliver the service that's in demand. There's plenty to put on that list.