Thread: Re-balance Feedbacks

Originally Posted by Bruceski

The stamina refills when leveling up were small compared to the stamina costs of later story, only giving a couple more clicks, but it was a nice immediate reward for that progression and I'm not sure making that every 10 levels is an improvement.

Especially if you have my luck. I basically hit level 60 just after I finished regenerating quest stamina to full after finishing quest they added. So the magical stamina refill did literally jack shit. No clue why they moved it from each level to each 10th level, seeing how you can like progress just few times, just few next button presses.

Make the quest require a tad bit less stamina, and remove the refill after starting few levels that let you get into the game fast, or make them a tad bit more stamina heavy but keep the damn refill on each level.

Welp I used up my entire gift stockpile after maxing out 4 girls, shame I stopped buying them out a while ago while they were still cheap.

Seriously though what's the point in making everything scale with your harem size? Now there is zero incentive to getting more girls since sure, you're getting more income, but everything also becomes more expensive.

So, I've been playing this game from the very beginning, and unless they fix the affection scaling, I am fucking done. I had a huge stockpile of affection items saved up since the start of the game, and I used it all up to upgrade a few girls that I got (who keep giving less and less cash). So over a year's worth of affection items are gone in a week, so what is the point of playing this game? Do they really expect us to grind for months to upgrade one star?

Collecting the girls is what made this game addictive. Now, why would I want to collect girls if the game becomes brokenly expensive to play and I can't upgrade any of the girls? I just spent 13 million cash for a girl to give me $850 an hour. So even if I do upgrade the girls, it for a few hundred dollars? WTF? There is something seriously wrong here. If they don't fix this affection system, I am out. I am just flabbergasted that these developers put out a "balance patch" that makes the game unplayable for those who have large harems. It's like they don't want to make this game anymore so they are pushing us out. If that's not true and they want us to continue playing this game, then what the fuck are they thinking?

And the harem picture quality is getting bad too. The first dozen or so girls had great rewards for maxing them out, a great full frontal completely nude shot. Now at max stars we get a picture of a half-clothed girl with food shoved up their ass or something gross like that. Can't you do garbage pictures like that in the lower stars? WTH, man?

Originally Posted by kokusho

And the harem picture quality is getting bad too. The first dozen or so girls had great rewards for maxing them out, a great full frontal completely nude shot. Now at max stars we get a picture of a half-clothed girl with food shoved up their ass or something gross like that. Can't you do garbage pictures like that in the lower stars? WTH, man?

All about tastes. I personally rather have the girls clothed - especially if they have pantyhose or over-the-knee socks on them. I just prefer having stuff left out for my imagination to kick in, than fully naked images that leave nothing and thus don't trigger imagination. Without imagination kicked in, those harem girls avatars just look like your typical lame 2D females hehe.

Only reason why I did upgrade affection stars, was cause in nearly every girl it made the cash collecting timer longer, making handling Harem cash gathering easier. But you got quite more cash/h too and it was worth it. Now I am nearly sure its not.

I got Kalisa and one of event girls since the update came. Lets do a bit of math here:

- Kaslisa is 60th girl in my harem, Teacher event girl is 61. Both start with 800 cash/h.
- 1st star costs 189k and 192k, require 900/915 affection points which cost 375k/382k, totaling at 564k/574k.
- 1st star adds additional 100 cash/h - which means 5643/5737 hours and 235/239 days if playing 24h/day to get even.
- 2nd star costs 405k and 412k, require 3000/3050 affection points more which cost 1M251/1M272, totaling at 1M656/1M684.
- 2nd star adds additional 150 cash/h - which means 11k/11.2k hours and 460/468 days if playing 24h/day to get even.
- 3rd star costs 1080k and 1098k, require 9000/9150 affection points more which cost 3M753/3M816, totaling up at 4M833/4M914.
- 3rd star adds additional 220 cash/h - which means 22k/22k3 hours and 915/930 days if playing 24h/day to get even.
- All 3 * at once total at 7M053/7M172 , add 470 cash/h - which means 15k/15k3 hours and 625/636 days if playing 24/h to get even.

Above days numbers can be doubled or tripled cause most people wont play more than 12 or 8 hours a day.

Of course one could maybe go about this a bit differently. Assuming one collect money only once per while - lets say every time when all cash is ready to collect. That will make you collect once per 3 hours (longest timer is 180 minutes), and mean that every girl cash per 3/h will be what you can collect, and thus cash/h would be 1/3 of what you can collect. If going by that then:

- Kalisa and Teacher Deitra would have 120/160 cash per each 3 hours on 0 stars, or 40/53.3 cash/h.
- They would jump to 285 and 405 cash/3h on 1 star, or 95/135 cash/h, which is 55/81.7 more cash/h.
- They would jump to 648 and 945 cash/3h on 2 stars, or 216/315 cash/h, which is 121/180 more cash/h than 1 stars or 176/261.7 than 0.
- They would jump to 1249 and 1292 cash/3h on 3 stars, or 416.3/430.7 cash/h, which is 200.3/115.7 more cash/h than 2 stars or 376.3/377.3 than 0.

We can compare the above way of looking on affection stuff to the normal way calculated before and get some thoughts. Just upgrading to 1 star would be more costly in the alternative way. It would actually be also more costly if one gone directly to 3rd star. Thou on 2nd star one girl would actually cost a bit less (nearly 262 cash/h gain compared to 250 in normal way).

Someone in earlier comments said that new affection system is OK cause we get more cash/h with each girl, so making affection more expensive is OK. Lets think about it for a moment:
- Each new girl rises multipliers by 1, which means she requires 15/65/215 more affection points to get to 1/2/3 stars than the previous one.
- That means cost of affection points goes up by 6k26/27k1/89k66 for each new girl (with 417 cash per point value).
- Upgrades themselves will also cost 3k15/6k75/18k more. This totals 9k4/33k86/119k27 more cash to get to 1/2/3 stars.
- Each new girl has 800 cash/h on 0 stars and gains 100/250/470 more cash/h on 1/2/3 stars.
- So upgrading each new girl to 3 stars cost nearly 120k more cash, while that new girl adds 1270 cash/h to your harem total cash/h.
- This sums up at 93.9 hours or 3.913 days if one plays 24h/day or 11.74 days if one plays 8h/day.

So in summary the risen cost of upgrading new girl to 3rd star, requires nearly 12 days on 8h/day schedule to get even, on that cost increase alone. This basically means that each new girl takes those 94 hours more to upgrade than the previous one, and that it doesn't even consider how long it takes to upgrade/get even on base values.

Originally Posted by Eversor86

All about tastes. I personally rather have the girls clothed - especially if they have pantyhose or over-the-knee socks on them. I just prefer having stuff left out for my imagination to kick in, than fully naked images that leave nothing and thus don't trigger imagination. Without imagination kicked in, those harem girls avatars just look like your typical lame 2D females hehe.

Only reason why I did upgrade affection stars, was cause in nearly every girl it made the cash collecting timer longer, making handling Harem cash gathering easier. But you got quite more cash/h too and it was worth it. Now I am nearly sure its not.

I got Kalisa and one of event girls since the update came. Lets do a bit of math here:

- Kaslisa is 60th girl in my harem, Teacher event girl is 61. Both start with 800 cash/h.
- 1st star costs 189k and 192k, require 900/915 affection points which cost 375k/382k, totaling at 564k/574k.
- 1st star adds additional 100 cash/h - which means 5643/5737 hours and 235/239 days if playing 24h/day to get even.
- 2nd star costs 405k and 412k, require 3000/3050 affection points more which cost 1M251/1M272, totaling at 1M656/1M684.
- 2nd star adds additional 150 cash/h - which means 11k/11.2k hours and 460/468 days if playing 24h/day to get even.
- 3rd star costs 1080k and 1098k, require 9000/9150 affection points more which cost 3M753/3M816, totaling up at 4M833/4M914.
- 3rd star adds additional 220 cash/h - which means 22k/22k3 hours and 915/930 days if playing 24h/day to get even.
- All 3 * at once total at 7M053/7M172 , add 470 cash/h - which means 15k/15k3 hours and 625/636 days if playing 24/h to get even.

Above days numbers can be doubled or tripled cause most people wont play more than 12 or 8 hours a day.

Of course one could maybe go about this a bit differently. Assuming one collect money only once per while - lets say every time when all cash is ready to collect. That will make you collect once per 3 hours (longest timer is 180 minutes), and mean that every girl cash per 3/h will be what you can collect, and thus cash/h would be 1/3 of what you can collect. If going by that then:

- Kalisa and Teacher Deitra would have 120/160 cash per each 3 hours on 0 stars, or 40/53.3 cash/h.
- They would jump to 285 and 405 cash/3h on 1 star, or 95/135 cash/h, which is 55/81.7 more cash/h.
- They would jump to 648 and 945 cash/3h on 2 stars, or 216/315 cash/h, which is 121/180 more cash/h than 1 stars or 176/261.7 than 0.
- They would jump to 1249 and 1292 cash/3h on 3 stars, or 416.3/430.7 cash/h, which is 200.3/115.7 more cash/h than 2 stars or 376.3/377.3 than 0.

We can compare the above way of looking on affection stuff to the normal way calculated before and get some thoughts. Just upgrading to 1 star would be more costly in the alternative way. It would actually be also more costly if one gone directly to 3rd star. Thou on 2nd star one girl would actually cost a bit less (nearly 262 cash/h gain compared to 250 in normal way).

Someone in earlier comments said that new affection system is OK cause we get more cash/h with each girl, so making affection more expensive is OK. Lets think about it for a moment:
- Each new girl rises multipliers by 1, which means she requires 15/65/215 more affection points to get to 1/2/3 stars than the previous one.
- That means cost of affection points goes up by 6k26/27k1/89k66 for each new girl (with 417 cash per point value).
- Upgrades themselves will also cost 3k15/6k75/18k more. This totals 9k4/33k86/119k27 more cash to get to 1/2/3 stars.
- Each new girl has 800 cash/h on 0 stars and gains 100/250/470 more cash/h on 1/2/3 stars.
- So upgrading each new girl to 3 stars cost nearly 120k more cash, while that new girl adds 1270 cash/h to your harem total cash/h.
- This sums up at 93.9 hours or 3.913 days if one plays 24h/day or 11.74 days if one plays 8h/day.

So in summary the risen cost of upgrading new girl to 3rd star, requires nearly 12 days on 8h/day schedule to get even, on that cost increase alone. This basically means that each new girl takes those 94 hours more to upgrade than the previous one, and that it doesn't even consider how long it takes to upgrade/get even on base values.

Yeah, this is just insane. After over a year of playing, I am done.

I just want the PR dev to tell us if they will work on changing this affection system.

If they don't i will probably not give a flying fuck about affection upgrading. Will just go into just wait for and do story quests. Will not even collect cash to upgrade stats, cause why bother if I can kill Bremen with just a glance lol.

Also you could like edit the quote by dotting out most of the stuff, cause quoting my walls of text just under them, to say one line of text seems kinda space wasting.

Does all that even take into account the time it takes to actually gain the affection items from the market? Since the actual items the market offers is random, there is really no way to accurately calculate the exact time. But I feel it ends up being maybe months and years, not just days to actually reach max affection level to begin with. Not to mention you have to take into account if your harem actually makes enough $$$ per day/hour to actually purchase those affection items. Mine barely does and I have around 35 girls, and that's when I collect often throughout the day at every chance. If I wait or get busy and don't check very often, then I don't even collect enough during the day to even buy the affection items twice per day during the normal market resets.

Hmm. Good question. You can get items twice a day, plus each time you level up, which goes slower and slower (or at least thats what it feels like since I get no exp from fight energy cause of doing event trolls).

IIRC there is always 4 white and 4 green items to buy. Average affection points for white items is 12.5, average for green ones is 70. So we could assume that per one buying session one can get on average 330 affection points worth items, which would cost around 137k6 cash to get going by 417 cash/point value.

Buying twice a day would mean 660 affection points a day, and 275k2 cash required. You can get over 50k cash per hour from just doing Bremen fights, and up to 80k cash/h from harem if you have lot of 3+ star girls and you take care of collecting pretty often. We would need to know how often one level ups, to add shop resets from that into account. For me its maybe around once per 2 days now, maybe was faster when doing PvP on fight energy instead of trolls. So thats half a level up a day, maybe up to full 1 level up a day ;]. 0.75 on average - around 250 more affection points and 100k more costs.

Summing up - thats around 900 affection points a day and 375k cash required.

60th girl requires 60 times 215 affection points to reach 3 stars thus 12k9 total.
80th girl requires 80 times 215 affection points to reach 3 stars thus 17k2 total.

So 60th/80th girl would need around 14.(3)/19.(1) days on affection items gathering. Thou that numbers would go down, if one level ups more often or rapes pachinko and gets lucky with drops in it. They would go up of course if one level ups slower, or can't afford to buy everything, or what ever other reason that would slow down the per day affection points worth of items gathering.

Upgrade costs alone to get those 60th/80th girls to 3 stars would require 1M674/2M232 cash, which compared to affection points costing 5M4/7M2 isn't that bad, but if someone has issues with keeping up with buying affection items alone, collecting enough of cash to then upgrade would just add that much more days.

New worlds are added quite slow. One could argue that we get not more than 2 girls a month from that (3 girls from troll plus 1 from story itself, and new worlds are added like what once a 2 months or even actually slower? But we have like at least 1 event a month which itself adds 3 girls, and possible 4th one if one gets lucky on kobans collecting to spin epic pachinko once a month. So that total at up to 6 girls a month.

What that tells me is that its impossible to keep up with affection upgrading girls as a F2P.

EDIT:

Also the above calculations are just about 3 stars. They plan to add 2 more stars to all girls later in the lane. If they don't change anything and those 2 additional stars would be also a simple what bunny needs/costs times number of girls in harem - then it would be simply ridiculous to the retarded levels of how expensive and time consuming it will be.

Originally Posted by Eversor86

Also you could like edit the quote by dotting out most of the stuff, cause quoting my walls of text just under them, to say one line of text seems kinda space wasting.

Space wasting? Surely the forum won't crash from too much text in a given thread.

Originally Posted by Eversor86

All about tastes. I personally rather have the girls clothed - especially if they have pantyhose or over-the-knee socks on them. I just prefer having stuff left out for my imagination to kick in, than fully naked images that leave nothing and thus don't trigger imagination. Without imagination kicked in, those harem girls avatars just look like your typical lame 2D females hehe.

Why not do both? There are multiple stars, they can do some stars in various states of undress (or something for the fetishes) and have the final star being completely nude without any weird shit. Everybody's happy. I get turned on by completely nude women, I don't like the half-clothed shit or them covered in goo or dildos shoved into every hole like some of the other pictures. It would be nice to give us the option with every girl.