Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

Fire is one of my worst elements, so I won't comment much on Vahagn, but, she's fast, strong and has debuffs, so, should easily find a spot on any team?



Intercept won't do anything if someone else has guard active, since the guarding hime will take the hit instead of Shamash... If you have light Athena or Attar or something, activate her guard when Shamash's intercept is on CD. In any case, Shamash starts losing her usefulness around mid-game 'cos intercept only works on normal attacks, and many rags/guards don't even do many if any normal attacks. She can still be good for orb control - her burst has orb eat, so you can make a boss OD much less frequently if you have a short burst cycle.



These aren't highly coveted but have their uses if you play as raid support (LB0 is good enough for these):

• Joan's lance if you use her
• Andro's staff is good for raid healers
• Andro's lance is good for extreme turtle builds

Remember that you need a MLB soul weapon for T4 souls, so any T4 souls you want, their respective T3 soul weapon will be game-changing/highly coveted i guess.

Not to step on Dream's toes as his advice is actually spot on, but I will add my two cents on Shamash as I used to run her as a core hime all the time (and I still do on my AAB team) last year. Against Guardians and anyone with natural attacks and long painful overdrives Shamash can work wonders for your team. She's typically on my AAB team for accessories and guardians as guaranteed orb eat is fairly powerful. If you can get your team to a 3-4 turn burst cycle, her orb eat can extend a 4 or 5 orb overdrives guardian/rag raid monster by nearly 40%. That's a lot less damage coming your way. Every standard hit she eats also gives her 10 BG on the return strike so she can also be fairly fast. Unfortunately she loses out to core himes like Iris, Lugh, Tish and Michael (and even Eros shortly), but she's not sub-tier. You will replace her as you get better himes though.


Dejnov.

lol, so far on alts, used 42k jewels (14 x3000 rolls) and not a single ssr, not even a shitty eido like behemoth or takemi

Originally Posted by Kitty

lol, so far on alts, used 42k jewels (14 x3000 rolls) and not a single ssr, not even a shitty eido like behemoth or takemi

Damn this 3k jewel conposition aint enuff, I didnt get anything too.
Someone please fan the flame and make people ask for ssr miracle ticket or at least un-nerfed ssr guaranteed 10chain ticket instead.
It will be justice because playing by their rule, 97% player are not compensated.

18k here for Wind Sol (i take anything at this point) but nothing...i guess i can pray something from premium tickets lul
42k prev for Wind Uriel,so 60k for a single dupe Titania... :x this isn't normal..curse?!

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

Fire is one of my worst elements, so I won't comment much on Vahagn, but, she's fast, strong and has debuffs, so, should easily find a spot on any team?

Intercept won't do anything if someone else has guard active, since the guarding hime will take the hit instead of Shamash... If you have light Athena or Attar or something, activate her guard when Shamash's intercept is on CD. In any case, Shamash starts losing her usefulness around mid-game 'cos intercept only works on normal attacks, and many rags/guards don't even do many if any normal attacks. She can still be good for orb control - her burst has orb eat, so you can make a boss OD much less frequently if you have a short burst cycle.

These aren't highly coveted but have their uses if you play as raid support (LB0 is good enough for these):

• Joan's lance if you use her
• Andro's staff is good for raid healers
• Andro's lance is good for extreme turtle builds

Remember that you need a MLB soul weapon for T4 souls, so any T4 souls you want, their respective T3 soul weapon will be game-changing/highly coveted i guess.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

Not to step on Dream's toes as his advice is actually spot on, but I will add my two cents on Shamash as I used to run her as a core hime all the time (and I still do on my AAB team) last year. Against Guardians and anyone with natural attacks and long painful overdrives Shamash can work wonders for your team. She's typically on my AAB team for accessories and guardians as guaranteed orb eat is fairly powerful. If you can get your team to a 3-4 turn burst cycle, her orb eat can extend a 4 or 5 orb overdrives guardian/rag raid monster by nearly 40%. That's a lot less damage coming your way. Every standard hit she eats also gives her 10 BG on the return strike so she can also be fairly fast. Unfortunately she loses out to core himes like Iris, Lugh, Tish and Michael (and even Eros shortly), but she's not sub-tier. You will replace her as you get better himes though.

That seems to fit what I can tell about Vahagn. She only really seems to have the A-frame DEF down for enemy debuffing though and the rest of her abilities go into fueling her own raw power, so I wasn't sure what would make room for her since most of the builds I look at/use tend to ply on as much buffs and debuffs as possible.

Yeah, I'm running Attar in my Light team atm, ergo that bit about Guard interaction with Shamash's mechanics. Guess if I field them both at the same time I'd need to bear in mind not to happily leave it on auto the whole way. Either that, or switch to Andromeda to have the heals covered. No other Light SSR Kamihimes (actually, as of this response I've only got 4 total) yet I'm afraid though so I'm working with my substantially more developed SR/R barrels. Sounds like Forseti is an excellent teammate of hers for OD control thanks to Behengenstraal, although her combo attack rate debuff might mean less intercept counters. I'll have to field her myself and see how she works with my roster at some point, I suppose.

... and uh, silly question but what are T4/3 Souls again? I only recognise Standard/Elite/Legendary.

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Regarding the banners right now, yikes do those sound like some seriously cursed pulls. I did manage to coax an SSR out of my 2nd 10-pull, but she was certainly not a rate up one (and also one I'm not sure I see myself using). Someone's likely to laugh their way to the bank today, and it certainly doesn't look like it's us.

Originally Posted by Destrica

That seems to fit what I can tell about Vahagn. She only really seems to have the A-frame DEF down for enemy debuffing though and the rest of her abilities go into fueling her own raw power, so I wasn't sure what would make room for her since most of the builds I look at/use tend to ply on as much buffs and debuffs as possible.

Vahagn "only" has a A frame debuff that Fire otherwise has NO access to to (-10% from a R doesn't count, okay?) and at the same time deals 1.65x damage compared to your other Hime (applies 5/8t, and only if at full health). This alone makes Vahagn a complete beast in some content, but she also has 5/8t guaranteed Triple.

Vahagn requires high health to be properly good so isn't ideal for all content, but her debuff is always welcome. Except in debuff immune content. But debuff immune content is stupid.

Originally Posted by Destrica

... and uh, silly question but what are T4/3 Souls again? I only recognise Standard/Elite/Legendary.
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Standard: Tier 1
Elite: Tier 2
Legendary: Tier 3
Upcoming to Nutaku later with absolutely insane costs that you will never farm as a new player so get fucked: Tier 4

For fuck's sake...18k jewels and not a single bloody Christmas hime. And the R is the one I want most! Jesus...
At least I got a pair of really nice consolation prizes in Leviathan and Iris. Getting Iris means my next miracle ticket is open now, not sure who to get. And Lev is a very nice boost to my waters.

But not getting a single Christmas hime still really sours the jubilation.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Vahagn "only" has a A frame debuff that Fire otherwise has NO access to to (-10% from a R doesn't count, okay?) and at the same time deals 1.65x damage compared to your other Hime (applies 5/8t, and only if at full health). This alone makes Vahagn a complete beast in some content, but she also has 5/8t guaranteed Triple.

Vahagn requires high health to be properly good so isn't ideal for all content, but her debuff is always welcome. Except in debuff immune content. But debuff immune content is stupid.Standard: Tier 1
Elite: Tier 2
Legendary: Tier 3
Upcoming to Nutaku later with absolutely insane costs that you will never farm as a new player so get fucked: Tier 4

Um... SR Hephaestus has -15% A-Frame too. But yeah I see how Vahagn can single-handedly pump out massive amounts of damage, but I'm also not too sure how big the loss of Heph's buff package would be. That's me assuming I never get more SSRs however granted.

Yesh though, the T4s sound like something to pre-plan for. Any list of their details and requirements out there?

Originally Posted by Argo

For fuck's sake...18k jewels and not a single bloody Christmas hime. And the R is the one I want most! Jesus...

Right speaking of that, is her 2nd episode bugged or something? I didn't even so much as put a single level into her and I could already access it.

Originally Posted by Destrica

Um... SR Hephaestus has -15% A-Frame too.

... yeah, okay. I did mean something that is a proper -20%, also while not sucking giant cocks. Heph's other two skills are basically entirely useless, unless paired with Ares (who can actually make use out of the Ability+ due to her multi-hit).

Originally Posted by Destrica

Yesh though, the T4s sound like something to pre-plan for. Any list of their details and requirements out there?

Kitty made a T4 Soul thread which somehow isn't even pinned. There are helpful pictures in there, but let me make my list:

15x Ori (six weeks worth if not buying from Shop)
10x Advent Ragnarok Cores (over one Advent worth, so like 1.2 months per 10 probably, no alternative means)
1500x T2 Cores (farming of these is limited to roughly 54 per day and is drop-luck based, AND is consumed by Regalia farming, have fun!!!)
900x Regalia (farming of these is limited to about 540 per month, have fun!)
3000x Eidolon Orbs
350x Main Story drops (some easy to farm, some slow to farm)
150x T3 Crystals
150+150x T4 Crystals
2+3x Raid book (comes from Phantom Guardian Och, this is the gatekeeper that stops you from amassing everything before T4 Souls are released)
30+20x SR books
20+10x SSR books
1+1x Dragon Eye
900+150x Fangs (drops about 1 per HE, have fun!)
1m+500k Gems
0+500 Soul Points
0+50 Magna
0+50 Treasure

I bolded the biggest problems.
And all of that? Gets you one (1) T4 Soul with one (1) T4 Soul weapon. The latter part with the +x stuff? Yeah, that part is repeatable. So you can get more Soul weapons. Once unlocked, you can use T4 Souls without their signature weapon, but some of them will suck without.

I was 100% convinced that a couple of months later they would nerf those requirements TO THE GROUND BABY (like what was done to SSR Hime Awakening costs), since since that bullshit is basically a death sentence to anyone starting the game. It simply isn't possible to farm. What do you do when you have no hope of reaching the top? Oh yeah, you quit the game. Also, I thought it'd be far too much to farm for whales to care and they'd start quitting in droves too, but... apparently no. T4 Souls have been out for a long time now, and NO CHANGES have been made to this utter bullshit.

This bullshit may not have killed DMM Kamihime (as far as we know), but it WILL kill Nutaku Kamihime. So look forward to that. Let's hope they have the brains to make those requirements me 1/10th in Nutaku, but hah, there's no chance of that happening.

Oh. I forgot that Vahagn's debuff got upgraded at Lvl 55. My mistake there... now to play the long game and slowly (and hopefully) pick up more pieces for a good Fire team.

Sweet mercy though, that is a CRAP ton of valuable materials that would need to be burned up to get even a single T4 Soul. If some of those items aren't made a whole lot more accessible, this is going to be beyond rough to even attempt.