Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by AutoCrimson

Osiris is good, but naming her as dark core... with our current content, she is on par with Pluto, i guess

Heals are heals, and more importantly, she's all you need to make use of Shingen while still keeping the EX slot open.

Originally Posted by BlazeRai

And Berith... blame google translate, I actually don't understand what she does

And that's exactly why the encyclopedia in Sanahtlig's toolbox exists. So that you wouldn't need to use google translate and go ???

Originally Posted by Slashley

Heals are heals, and more importantly, she's all you need to make use of Shingen while still keeping the EX slot open.And that's exactly why the encyclopedia in Sanahtlig's toolbox exists. So that you wouldn't need to use google translate and go ???

ah right, sorry

Well okay, I understand what she does now, self stacking buffs are always nice...
and seeing her other abilities, she'd probably dish out some great damage, though that release date... I don't think I need to worry about her for now since I'm asking for opinions on 3rd ticket and I'm sure she'd be on the 5th or something

Originally Posted by BlazeRai

Hmm, Why replace Hades though? I actually think her awakening is good but if your main point is to replace her with those ones you said so I can deal more damage then I can see you mean... and the fact that her atk down gets an added combo atk rate debuff and turns AoE seems good to me (unless im wrong, feel free to correct me since whenever I read the jp wiki I just rely on google translate)

I understand what Chernobog does, but she seems to make it hard to pull off a full burst so I'm not really a fan of her right now (and besides, I don't think she'll be out on 3rd miracle ticket, which is what I'm asking for right now, and neither Cherno nor Berith will be out during 3rd ticket)
And Berith... blame google translate, I actually don't understand what she does

Well.. if I can get Satan for free, then I wouldn't mind awakening her and replacing Amon with her but until then all I can do is wait and see (I'm one of those guys that miracle'd Amon and this is why I'm reluctant to miracle another dark hime just to replace someone else I miracle'd previously and I wouldn't want to place her in the sub spot)

I can see your point with Samael though, the CDs are really long.. though that was just a plan for the 5th miracle ticket, not actually sure if I'll use it on her because who knows, another team of mine could need that ticket

Well, we already talked about it in discord...

Please don't resent me for what I am going to say now.

Hades is a good dark Hime to start with but later she isn't that good.
Her AW isn't worth. Combo Attack down isn't worth, seriously. I wouldn't Awaken her unsless I have a good amount of Draconic Eyes.

She is one of those victims of not so great AW. You'll probably want her for her Blind, 20% Atk Down A, Def up L and Debuff Block, but her usefulness is limited not only due to being very situational but also long CD on everything.

Chernobog will do way more damage then Hades AW.
Yeah, Chernobog is a bit Tricky. However she has a skill that offers 30 Burst Gauge up every 5T and if you use her "One-Man-Army"-Skill: +150% Atk, +100% Def, +50% Crit Rate & Dmg, and 500/T regen --> you will need 15 Burst Gauge every turn. This skill last as long as you can't offer 15 Burst gauge anymore.
Her 2nd Abi offers Single Target Dmg + Self DATA up (Strong).

Basically (without DA & TA)
Turn 1: Abi1 --> 30 Burst Gauge up and "One-Man-Army"-Skill + 10 Burst Gauge for a Hit = 40
after Turn 1: -15 Burst Gauge = 25
Turn 2: 10 Burst Gauge for a Hit = 35
after Turn 2: -15 Burst Gauge = 20
Turn 3: 10 Burst Gauge for a Hit = 30
after Turn 3: -15 Burst Gauge = 15
Turn 4: 10 Burst Gauge for a Hit = 25
after Turn 4: -15 Burst Gauge = 10
Turn 5: Abi1 --> 30 Burst Gauge up +10 Burst Gauge for a Hit =50

Burst will be a little bit of a problem but seriously she has a skill that offers her DA & TA. Last 3T and CD is 5T long.
Furthermore she will be in your last Slot because of Burst.

Therefore you could at least try to save your jews for Chernobog because with her also Anubis will be released.

It's your choice if you want Samael or Satan AW. I wouldn't use my Miracle Ticket for her but for Satan. With her AW she will be awesome and is a core Hime for Dark. Otherwise Thanatos is also a great choice. She offers C-Frame and Burst Gauge up.
Satan AW >> Thanatos >> Samael.

Berith is a bit like Shamash but does more damage.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Well, we already talked about it in discord...

Please don't resent me for what I am going to say now.

Hades is a good dark Hime to start with but later she isn't that good.
Her AW isn't worth. Combo Attack down isn't worth, seriously. I wouldn't Awaken her unsless I have a good amount of Draconic Eyes.

She is one of those victims of not so great AW. You'll probably want her for her Blind, 20% Atk Down A, Def up L and Debuff Block, but her usefulness is limited not only due to being very situational but also long CD on everything.

Chernobog will do way more damage then Hades AW.
Yeah, Chernobog is a bit Tricky. However she has a skill that offers 30 Burst Gauge up every 5T and if you use her "One-Man-Army"-Skill: +150% Atk, +100% Def, +50% Crit Rate & Dmg, and 500/T regen --> you will need 15 Burst Gauge every turn. This skill last as long as you can't offer 15 Burst gauge anymore.
Her 2nd Abi offers Single Target Dmg + Self DATA up (Strong).

Basically (without DA & TA)
Turn 1: Abi1 --> 30 Burst Gauge up and "One-Man-Army"-Skill + 10 Burst Gauge for a Hit = 40
after Turn 1: -15 Burst Gauge = 25
Turn 2: 10 Burst Gauge for a Hit = 35
after Turn 2: -15 Burst Gauge = 20
Turn 3: 10 Burst Gauge for a Hit = 30
after Turn 3: -15 Burst Gauge = 15
Turn 4: 10 Burst Gauge for a Hit = 25
after Turn 4: -15 Burst Gauge = 10
Turn 5: Abi1 --> 30 Burst Gauge up +10 Burst Gauge for a Hit =50

Burst will be a little bit of a problem but seriously she has a skill that offers her DA & TA. Last 3T and CD is 5T long.
Furthermore she will be in your last Slot because of Burst.

Therefore you could at least try to save your jews for Chernobog because with her also Anubis will be released.

It's your choice if you want Samael or Satan AW. I wouldn't use my Miracle Ticket for her but for Satan. With her AW she will be awesome and is a core Hime for Dark. Otherwise Thanatos is also a great choice. She offers C-Frame and Burst Gauge up.
Satan AW >> Thanatos >> Samael.

Berith is a bit like Shamash but does more damage.

It's alright, I'm open to opinions.. but like I said for now, my dark team is complete already until a few months later when those ones you said will be released

I'm still gonna awaken her though since I do have 6 eyes and she's my first SSR that carried me mostly through my newbie days, so she holds a special place for me (lol)

And I can see why Chernobog is indeed great... is she worth a miracle ticket then? Or Berith
I know I can save jewels but from time to time RNG can be cruel to people so I never keep my expectations very high when rolling jewel gacha
and most obvious choice would be to go for the one with lower CD, but I'll think about it if I ever decide to get Satan AW. for now its not really a problem

I don't think I can consider Thanatos though, especially after that Amon Unleashed buff (edited) where her only long CD is the stun extension.. If I were to consider someone it would most likely be Satan AW

Originally Posted by BlazeRai

It's alright, I'm open to opinions.. but like I said for now, my dark team is complete already until a few months later when those ones you said will be released

I'm still gonna awaken her though since I do have 6 eyes and she's my first SSR that carried me mostly through my newbie days, so she holds a special place for me (lol)

And I can see why Chernobog is indeed great... is she worth a miracle ticket then? Or Berith
I know I can save jewels but from time to time RNG can be cruel to people so I never keep my expectations very high when rolling jewel gacha
and most obvious choice would be to go for the one with lower CD, but I'll think about it if I ever decide to get Satan AW. for now its not really a problem

I don't think I can consider Thanatos though, especially after that Amon Unleashed Awakening where her only long CD is the stun extension.. If I were to consider someone it would most likely be Satan AW

IMO they both are worth a Miracle Ticket. But it's your choice which one you choose.
Chernobog is basically a One-Man-Army... Thunder also has got a One-Man-Army SSR Himes this week.
A strong dark Build with a lot of synergy and good damage, will include:
- Satan AW --> fast bursting Hime
- Pluto --> High DATA if she has blocks
- Osiris --> Party Burst Gauge
- Chernobog --> One-Man-Army!

EX-skill: Snipper

I don't think I need to mention why there is a lot of synergy there. (If you don't understand it, tell me)
Hopefully Osiris gets an awakening... she needs more party burst gauge up.
Amon is not bad anymore. Still one of her skill has a long CD and if you get your hands on Satan.
Please use her! She has -10% Dark RST down, burst Gauge increase for herself and she is a Orb eater.
There is way more synergy with Satan AW+Pluto+Osiris than with Amon.

I can understand why you don't want to replace Amon.
However it's you choice which one you use but you already have 2 Himes from this team. Satan AW+Chernobog will make your dark team really good.
You still can use Amon next year when her A-Frame becomes C-Frame and you need to run BP for a defensive build...

I never said that you will just use this team. For some contents BP might be needed but if you have a good grid and do enough damage, not that often.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

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Her AW isn't worth. Combo Attack down isn't worth, seriously.--

Yeah, it's just the best defensive debuff in the game, what's the big deal.
... oh wait.

Seriously, having replaced Triton with Cthulhu, I cry every single day in AQ4. It's a whole different game with or without combo-. I can't bloody wait for Mordred's Relic weapons just so that I get access to that combo- on the burst ability, at least the bosses won't smack the shit out of me whenever they feel like it.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Yeah, it's just the best defensive debuff in the game, what's the big deal.
... oh wait.

Seriously, having replaced Triton with Cthulhu, I cry every single day in AQ4. It's a whole different game with or without combo-. I can't bloody wait for Mordred's Relic weapons just so that I get access to that combo- on the burst ability, at least the bosses won't smack the shit out of me whenever they feel like it.

Dude, it's still not worth... We already talked about it in discord. It's a nice tingh to have but not worth the damage that Chernobog will do!
Just run with ele-advantage and Chernobog will do enough damage.

Why do you even need that skill?
Pluto+Jeanne = 2 Damage cut skill and attack down. If you still die, then get more HP.

I am doing it fine without that skill.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

IMO they both are worth a Miracle Ticket. But it's your choice which one you choose.
Chernobog is basically a One-Man-Army... Thunder also has got a One-Man-Army SSR Himes this week.
A strong dark Build with a lot of synergy and good damage, will include:
- Satan AW --> fast bursting Hime
- Pluto --> High DATA if she has blocks
- Osiris --> Party Burst Gauge
- Chernobog --> One-Man-Army!

EX-skill: Snipper

I don't think I need to mention why there is a lot of synergy there. (If you don't understand it, tell me)
Hopefully Osiris gets an awakening... she needs more party burst gauge up.
Amon is not bad anymore. Still one of her skill has a long CD and if you get your hands on Satan.
Please use her! She has -10% Dark RST down, burst Gauge increase for herself and she is a Orb eater.
There is way more synergy with Satan AW+Pluto+Osiris than with Amon.

I can understand why you don't want to replace Amon.
However it's you choice which one you use but you already have 2 Himes from this team. Satan AW+Chernobog will make your dark team really good.
You still can use Amon next year when her A-Frame becomes C-Frame and you need to run BP for a defensive build...

I never said that you will just use this team. For some contents BP might be needed but if you have a good grid and do enough damage, not that often.

yeah, Amon is really good in the future, but considering that's a year later, its gonna suck waiting for awhile... her raging nuke got turned to 6CD and has a higher multiplier now I believe? the only thing that didnt get reduced CD is her stun extension (which i can understand why, but gets an added light atk down which is great)

I'm just gonna hope that maybe jewel draw or some random ticket would win me satan for free, but I don't think I can consider her for 3rd ticket right now.. but thanks for your opinions though, I appreciate it. Will definitely keep in mind

Originally Posted by Slashley

Yeah, it's just the best defensive debuff in the game, what's the big deal.
... oh wait.

Seriously, having replaced Triton with Cthulhu, I cry every single day in AQ4. It's a whole different game with or without combo-. I can't bloody wait for Mordred's Relic weapons just so that I get access to that combo- on the burst ability, at least the bosses won't smack the shit out of me whenever they feel like it.

I can understand how you feel.. its why I bring Azathoth as support always just so I can use her combo atk rate debuff in AQ4, especially against wind and fire mobs which are a pain in the ass to deal with (and why I can't wait for hades to be awakened)

Well it kinda went a little off topic since I was only originally asking for my 3rd miracle ticket choice if its either going to Thunder, Water or Light (still leaning a bit towards Thunder, but I guess I can 100% decide it after Mammon gets released and I try rolling for her.. If I don't get anyone new, then I guess 3rd ticket will most likely be Thunder since it has 50/50 debuff, while water is only 25/50 unless I get SSR Nike lol)

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Why do you even need that skill?
Pluto+Jeanne = 2 Damage cut skill and attack down. If you still die, then get more HP.

So, you're going to use damage cuts every single turn just in case enemies would happen to use dbl/trpl on you? I doubt that. You won't even have enough damage cuts.

Your biggest job is to ensure greatest chance of success. Reliability is a big key to this. Combo- will entirely remove a very large portion of RNG from fights. If you're relying on Chemobog, then what will you do when turn1 of the fight is triple attack against Chemobog and turn2 will be another triple attack, killing her?

Is that going to happen often? No. But it CAN happen, which means that according to Murphy's Law, it will happen. As such, I don't approve of saying "combo- is not worth." Does that mean that the build you suggest can't work? No. Does that mean that bringing combo- into every single fight is a must? No. All I'm saying is, don't say that combo- isn't "worth" something. Because it absolutely is. It always is worth, as combo- is bloody amazing.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I am doing it fine without that skill.

"Doing fine" is possible even with full Rs, as it is a completely loose term. So that's hardly an argument.

Originally Posted by Slashley

So, you're going to use damage cuts every single turn just in case enemies would happen to use dbl/trpl on you? I doubt that. You won't even have enough damage cuts.

Your biggest job is to ensure greatest chance of success. Reliability is a big key to this. Combo- will entirely remove a very large portion of RNG from fights. If you're relying on Chemobog, then what will you do when turn1 of the fight is triple attack against Chemobog and turn2 will be another triple attack, killing her?

Is that going to happen often? No. But it CAN happen, which means that according to Murphy's Law, it will happen. As such, I don't approve of saying "combo- is not worth." Does that mean that the build you suggest can't work? No. Does that mean that bringing combo- into every single fight is a must? No. All I'm saying is, don't say that combo- isn't "worth" something. Because it absolutely is. It always is worth, as combo- is bloody amazing."Doing fine" is possible even with full Rs, as it is a completely loose term. So that's hardly an argument.

Awesome... Do you want to use Hades in a "offensive"-build?
A "offensive"-build exist for doing more damage to kill the boss as fast as possible and not to play "save" & "slow".
I am open for every builds but I don't see Hades in a offensive build or in a defensive build for most of the contents.

I can consider to use Hades in a "defensive" build. But still I wouldn't relay on combo-rate down and it's not an amazing debuff. It's okay and situational... There we go... Hades = Situational!
Maybe in some situation but not really for AQ4, if you run with element advantage.

Killing Chernobog in 2T? Dude... Pluto has a skill that offers 20% party Light RST for 2T, use Tiamat's barrier (if you can ofc), Osiris for a bit healing and regen from Jeanne... Not gonna happening, unless she has under 8k HP.
Chernobog gets in every T 500HP..