Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Uhhh... Illuyanka is actually very aab friendly if you just flick it on starting with T1...

Doesnt T1 AAB mean u waste like half of your cooldown on mob then slam your head into 3-layer shield? I guess u can arrange your team so important hime is at the back but that is still pretty annoying.

I didn't mention those as those are actually pretty easy to stall. FUL's nuke tickles with a water stall team as long as you dispel the boss's buff. LUL can be cheesed by waiting out the buffs. WaUL on the other hand... you just need specific set up that includes cover + dispel + cleanse provided that you have enough dps to get through rage gauge quickly. AQ5 you only need to bring 90~100% worth of dmg cut and you can easily stall through it due to boss's long charge time. Dullahan... her doom doesn't proc until after 3 turns. You got plenty of time to prepare.

I guess our definition of stalling kinda differ. In those scenario boss will still get their cooldown back much faster than you, so to finish the fight u still need considerable damage which would be quite difficult for a stalling setup with limited spike damage.

Originally Posted by Mirage

Doesnt T1 AAB mean u waste like half of your cooldown on mob then slam your head into 3-layer shield? I guess u can arrange your team so important hime is at the back but that is still pretty annoying.

Oh I meant T1 on boss.

Originally Posted by Mirage

I guess our definition of stalling kinda differ. In those scenario boss will still get their cooldown back much faster than you, so to finish the fight u still need considerable damage which would be quite difficult for a stalling setup with limited spike damage.

tbh i dont think you can even make it to the boss in GO and AQ5 if you don't meet the dps check anyway. i find some of the mobs gimmick more disgusting than the boss themselves.

So I had an amazing today and scored a big commission bonus from today and was feeling lucky. Pulled Ryu-Oh. Does she work well with Cthulhu?

Ryu-Oh works well with everything. She covers three vital debuffs, after all.

Do note that you'll absolutely need 6% Affliction from Accessories for her, though. Even then her BP is unreliable-ish, but at least you can rely on her A frames fairly well.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Ryu-Oh works well with everything. She covers three vital debuffs, after all.

Do note that you'll absolutely need 6% Affliction from Accessories for her, though. Even then her BP is unreliable-ish, but at least you can rely on her A frames fairly well.

Guess the next question that follows is whether Cthulhu or Ryu-Oh gets MLB first. Gonna have to wank up my Thunder team so I can do Accessory 3.

Cthulhu.
Both need MLB in order to reach 20% def down of their respective frame (15% without), but Ryuuou's A frame is easy to come by when you join a pub raid. Cthulhu's C frame OTOH, is a lil rarer. Not to mention if you're really desperate for a the extra 5% A frame def down, you can always just slap on Ambush.

Originally Posted by Bear

Cthulhu.
Both need MLB in order to reach 20% def down of their respective frame (15% without), but Ryuuou's A frame is easy to come by when you join a pub raid. Cthulhu's C frame OTOH, is a lil rarer. Not to mention if you're really desperate for a the extra 5% A frame def down, you can always just slap on Ambush.

given Atalanta is a thing now, C frame for water isn't gonna be as rare in raids (hopefully). still would agree that cthulhu is a better choice than ryu-oh cause they're covering practically the same stuff give or take a few changes

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

given Atalanta is a thing now, C frame for water isn't gonna be as rare in raids (hopefully). still would agree that cthulhu is a better choice than ryu-oh cause they're covering practically the same stuff give or take a few changes

What the heck are you talking about?

It's Ryu-Oh > Cthulhu
Cthulhus C-Frame is shit and Ryu-Ohs attack and def down doesn't miss than Cthulhus.
Cthulhu just offers a shit def c-frame but Ryu-Oh attack and def down + BP.
BP > Orb eating

What you are saying doesn't make any sense.

Just use Ryu-Oh, snipper and Atlanta --> you reach def cap.
You can't do that with Cthulhu unless you run with Gawain or have one SSR/SR with A or B frame.

Furthermore when we get Wolf Maanaf next year, I would immediately bench Cthulhu/Atlanta.
Ryu-Oh + Wolf Maanaf = 50 def down, 20 attack down and BP.

People just wanted Cthulhu because of her C-frame and you can reach def cap.

I think you're selling Cthulhu a bit short there.

Yes, Cthulhu's C frame misses, but with 6% Affliction it's not bad. With 6% Affliction and debuff-, it's reliable, though not 100%.
Orb removal is very powerful, though also very unreliable.
And finally, Cthulhu has Charm. A very potent one at that. Sadly, again, unreliable.

The combination of these three make Cthulhu a very potent package. Sure she might not deliver the best she can every time, but hardly ever will there be a time when all three miss.

Originally Posted by Slashley

I think you're selling Cthulhu a bit short there.

Yes, Cthulhu's C frame misses, but with 6% Affliction it's not bad. With 6% Affliction and debuff-, it's reliable, though not 100%.
Orb removal is very powerful, though also very unreliable.
And finally, Cthulhu has Charm. A very potent one at that. Sadly, again, unreliable.

The combination of these three make Cthulhu a very potent package. Sure she might not deliver the best she can every time, but hardly ever will there be a time when all three miss.

That wasn't my intention, sorry.

My point is that it's Ryu-Oh > Cthullu.

Wolf Maanaf offers 30% Water RST down, what also means that Ryu-Oh will land her BP much easier.
Ofc Cthullu's buffs will also land.

However as you can see Ryu-Oh is the better choice.

Furthermore new player will have, starting with the next advent, the opportunity to get old raid Himes.
Getting Gabriel or Atlanta. You can reach with both def cap if you have Cthullu + Gabriel or Ryu-Oh+Atlanta.

However I would go with Ryu-Oh instead because, like I said before, she is the better choice with Wolf-Maanaf.
Cthulhu + Wolf Maanaf isn't that bad but if you have both then Ryu-Oh please. Attack down + BP will save your ass more than Cthulhu later.