Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Well... I tested Hypnos third ability and it was... very strange.

First of all the info in enemy said that it will do nothing for 180 sec or after reciving X damage, but nothing like def down. And when I attack the enemy on the next turn it simply said nothing. the Debuff just dissapear. I guess I just deal enougth damage to break the debuff but... What exactly does it in the first place? Go to sleep the boss until I wake him up?

I think the description in her wiki makes a mistake in this ability.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Well... I tested Hypnos third ability and it was... very strange.

First of all the info in enemy said that it will do nothing for 180 sec or after reciving X damage, but nothing like def down. And when I attack the enemy on the next turn it simply said nothing. the Debuff just dissapear. I guess I just deal enougth damage to break the debuff but... What exactly does it in the first place? Go to sleep the boss until I wake him up?

I think the description in her wiki makes a mistake in this ability.

Ah... You just didn't understand how sleep works.
In a nutshell:
Hypnos sleep offers 20% def down.
However it's a sleep-skill. The thing is, if you attack the Boss/Monster either with a Skill or normal Attack, there is a high chance that the Boss/Monster will wake up from his slumber.
That also means you lose those def down and there is no procc chance that the Boss/Monster will go to sleep again.

Originally Posted by Sora

Ah... You just didn't understand how sleep works.
In a nutshell:
Hypnos sleep offers 20% def down.
However it's a sleep-skill. The thing is, if you attack the Boss/Monster either with a Skill or normal Attack, there is a high chance that the Boss/Monster will wake up from his slumber.
That also means you lose those def down and there is no procc chance that the Boss/Monster will go to sleep again.

Useless skill ever...

Originally Posted by Ikki

You dont go shingen because of provisional forest only, you go shingen cause free EX slot and shes 1 of the 4 souls that can make PF work reliably (the others being herc with weapon, arthur cause miracle and morgan (?)) on water, other souls cant get the 50 bg back without rng unless you stack ashy and saras in the same team and give your soul 45 bg but thats not happening cause that means no def cap, so dont even consider it, a burst build has nothing to do with your soul not being able to get 50 bg in 2 turns.

He doesn't have Asherah nor Sarasvati so neither of them were really a factor to begin with but if he did, my post would have been different. The point was not that he shouldn't go Shingen, but that he didn't need to go Hercules with his current team, since he already met the def cap. I said he could save for Shingen or just use any other soul he wanted and added on that the other souls still have plenty of uses as his current water team wasn't oriented for a burst build. Like you said yourself in the last line.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Useless skill ever...

Even more so because dark himes have various def downs already. It's not like you can even stop your himes from attacking when you're fighting a single enemy, so the enemy will likely wakes up regardless making the sleep effect often useless. Hades also has this and it's a rather disappointing addition to her skill.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

He doesn't have Asherah nor Sarasvati so neither of them were really a factor to begin with but if he did, my post would have been different. The point was not that he shouldn't go Shingen, but that he didn't need to go Hercules with his current team, since he already met the def cap. I said he could save for Shingen or just use any other soul he wanted and added on that the other souls still have plenty of uses as his current water team wasn't oriented for a burst build. Like you said yourself in the last line.

Ah yeah fair enough, i wasnt really clear on my quote, i was referring mainly to this "Going Shingen isn't going to make a major difference than just using any other soul with Provisional Forest as an ex skill" PF on other souls shouldnt be considered outside of the 4 i mentioned cause its just really bad, thats all.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Useless skill ever...

Well it depends on how you look at it. Quite useless for bosses for sure, but for mobs... if it hits, its quite useful actually, especially in R3/R4 since the mobs there have high HP

but obviously it won't hit all the time, and since Hades has it as an AoE attack, hers is more better than Hypnos since I believe that one is just single target

Originally Posted by BlazeAlter

Well it depends on how you look at it. Quite useless for bosses for sure, but for mobs... if it hits, its quite useful actually, especially in R3/R4 since the mobs there have high HP

but obviously it won't hit all the time, and since Hades has it as an AoE attack, hers is more better than Hypnos since I believe that one is just single target

well, that's if you aren't cooldown maintaining your way through the AQ stuff... and eventually later content like guild order (mobs easily have 1mil+ hp there).

debuffs that come back before the next enemy wave is still better since mobs with high HP naturally will eat up a chunk of turns


it's nice if you can get some milage out of it, but i gotta agree that hypnos barely gives much with that skill, if at all

A week or three ago, I bought the Guaranteed SSR Eidolon 10 roll Gacha and was rewarded with Fafnir. That was cool, as up until then, I only had Amaterasu. Sunday night, I bought the new one that was on sale and was rewarded with Ifrit. I'm now curious about which one should be my primary for my Fire team? Ifrit is ever so slightly stronger overall with the better Eidolon effect, while Fafnir has the better summon effect and is more flexible as she can boost water teams as well.

Also, in general, should the Eidolon roster for each team be loaded with same element Eidolons, one of each element, or whatever's strongest so long as your primary is same element?


(Side note: Also bought the new Guarunteed SSR Kamihime 10 roll and was rewarded with my second Code of Hammurabi, my second Guilty Dragoon, along with Acala, Thanatos, and Aten...I wasn't aware it was possible to pull 3 SSRs at once.)

Originally Posted by Quarters

A week or three ago, I bought the Guaranteed SSR Eidolon 10 roll Gacha and was rewarded with Fafnir. That was cool, as up until then, I only had Amaterasu. Sunday night, I bought the new one that was on sale and was rewarded with Ifrit. I'm now curious about which one should be my primary for my Fire team? Ifrit is ever so slightly stronger overall with the better Eidolon effect, while Fafnir has the better summon effect and is more flexible as she can boost water teams as well.

Also, in general, should the Eidolon roster for each team be loaded with same element Eidolons, one of each element, or whatever's strongest so long as your primary is same element?


(Side note: Also bought the new Guarunteed SSR Kamihime 10 roll and was rewarded with my second Code of Hammurabi, my second Guilty Dragoon, along with Acala, Thanatos, and Aten...I wasn't aware it was possible to pull 3 SSRs at once.)

uh, I'm no fire expert but we just got Adramelech fire eido, which is 45% elem atk, while ifrit is just 50% character atk and Fafnir is 40% elem atk (assuming your Fafnir and Ifrit is at LB0), so why not use Adramelech instead? She'd also have more stats than an LB0 gacha eido (at least until u get ur Fafnir to LB2 or MLB, which would become 50% at LB2 (60% max) and be better than Adramelech)

and just to give my opinion on it, i think people either put eidos with the highest stats or most useful skills in their sub eido roster (most commonly high stats, but theres also high stat eidos with useful effects)
same element is also good since they give u bonus stats (i forgot how much) but obviously it might take awhile to get a complete fire sub eido roster if you wanna go for that

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Useless skill ever...

Wouldn't call it useless. As people mentioned before, if you're up against multiple mobs (like you will in GO or you are in AQ) it will prove handy, especially if one of the mobs got an annoying burst/trigger. But another use for sleep is using it right before full-burst. If you have no ordinary means to reach def debuff cap, that 20% def down can act as a pretty good booster to your dmg output. In case you already reach cap, it can still act as a backup debuff for stuff like GO (again) where you need to debuff multiple mobs for multiple stages. Cooldowns on abilities will start have some meaning other than how much turns you have to do in 3 mins to recast it on the very same enemy, lol.