Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
You dont go shingen because of provisional forest only, you go shingen cause free EX slot and shes 1 of the 4 souls that can make PF work reliably (the others being herc with weapon, arthur cause miracle and morgan (?)) on water, other souls cant get the 50 bg back without rng unless you stack ashy and saras in the same team and give your soul 45 bg but thats not happening cause that means no def cap, so dont even consider it, a burst build has nothing to do with your soul not being able to get 50 bg in 2 turns.
He doesn't have Asherah nor Sarasvati so neither of them were really a factor to begin with but if he did, my post would have been different. The point was not that he shouldn't go Shingen, but that he didn't need to go Hercules with his current team, since he already met the def cap. I said he could save for Shingen or just use any other soul he wanted and added on that the other souls still have plenty of uses as his current water team wasn't oriented for a burst build. Like you said yourself in the last line.

Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Useless skill ever...
Even more so because dark himes have various def downs already. It's not like you can even stop your himes from attacking when you're fighting a single enemy, so the enemy will likely wakes up regardless making the sleep effect often useless. Hades also has this and it's a rather disappointing addition to her skill.