Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

Generally, not worth.

Conditional 50%, meaning most of the time you won't hit the quota, and even if you do it's only 5 extra % you get out of her, and being heavily limited on your sub eidolon choices. Reiki or Tiamat is blatantly better in almost all cases.

Don't forget Jack Frost, she's helping me with FRag cancer.

Originally Posted by Amak

Hope it haven't been asked a hundred times before but: A question for Illuyanka users: How is she working out for you? Is it good enough to justify sub-optimal sub-eidolons? Is it much better than using say, Tiamat or Reiki? I don't need precise numbers just your rough opinion.

I'd say yes she's worth using, if you have 5 MLB water eidos to put in your grid. 50% water ele↑ is the highest among event eidos currently anyway.
Then again, I also have 2 MLB Tiamats to stick in the sub grid, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Really just depends on your eido grids.

Now if you ever get a 50% or higher Fafnir for yourself, then you can pretty much forget about Illu at that point and just ride on your gacha luck with that Faffy.

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

I'd say yes she's worth using, if you have 5 MLB water eidos to put in your grid. 50% water ele↑ is the highest among event eidos currently anyway. --

While true, do remember that 5% isn't all that much these days. Since baseline is now 45% (your Eidolon) + 45% (friend Eidolon) + 45% (Elemental advantage) + 30% (Relic weapon) + 100% base, the difference is... a little less than 2% per Ilu. Since not many others are running Illu, the question is, does a full Water grid give a 2% base Atk output loss or not?

I haven't done the maths, but 2x LMB Tiamat is probably a requirement for that to work out for you. Overall, I doubt it's worth it - just run Reiki/Tiamat/Jack Frost depending on what you need.

Considering how most ppl that have worked on their grids, should likely be sitting at 120-130+% assault values (this just for f2p players) + the 100% base (though not sure why we even need to mention base) and considering how most of the common buffs in the game all add to assault values (including the UE atk buff), I'd say your so-called "math" is probably wonky as usual changing 5-10% to suddenly become 2%. I also see the most commonly run eidos being Tiamat or Jack among the general population, with Reiki and Illu being pretty rare, so a 10% difference is a 10% difference in the end.

Anyway I find it kinda funny when someone's who's argued in the past that it's better to just work on 1 grid for your best team since it's less work than 6 grids, now suddenly always mentions 45% ele adv as if they've only just realized the importance of that. As if they haven't advised others in the past to just use their best element for all content.

Originally Posted by Amak

Hope it haven't been asked a hundred times before but: A question for Illuyanka users: How is she working out for you? Is it good enough to justify sub-optimal sub-eidolons? Is it much better than using say, Tiamat or Reiki? I don't need precise numbers just your rough opinion.

Shes a good way to lose friends

Yea, it's very dependent on what your options are. Not only what water eidolons you have, but what else do you have. If you already have a bunch of 2k atk eidolons, then you'll probably need to wait until you pick up... Monoceros, I guess? (that's next year)
Then your sub slots would probably look like Tiamat/Tiamat/Monoceros/Jack Frost/Jormungandr.
It'll also depend on what you've put your +1's on. Maybe your water eidolons are better than base due to those +1s, then the tipping point shifts over in one direction. Or maybe your non-water eidolons are better than base, then the answer shifts in the other direction.

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

Considering how most ppl that have worked on their grids, should likely be sitting at 120-130+% assault values (this just for f2p players)--

Assault doesn't matter here. Increasing Elemental by 5% (total) is going increase you damage output by 5%, regardless of your Assault and base Atk values. Of course, the higher those two are the higher that 5% actually IS, but the ratio stays the same.

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

+ the 100% base (though not sure why we even need to mention base) --

... because there's a difference between 5% more to 165 (8.25) and 265 (13.25). That's why it matters when you're calculating the difference between two values.

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

Anyway I find it kinda funny when someone's who's argued in the past that it's better to just work on 1 grid for your best team since it's less work than 6 grids,--

Uuh, I still recommend to FIRST focus on maxing one Grid, but I don't think I've ever said to ONLY max one Grid? That'd be sanathlig I'd think, who wanted to complete all events with minimum amount of effort required.


Anyway, if you want to compare without Elemental advantage... then let's go with Tiamat as well. So it's 40% (your Eidolon) + 40% (friend Eidolon) + 30% (Relic weapon) + 100% base = 210%. A 10% to that is ~5% increase, so at best, Ilu is 5% more damage (each). But do keep in mind that your burst generation will quite a bit lower that way, when compared to double Tiamats. So for a 40k base Atk player, that's about the same as 2k more base Atk. Chances are very high that you can run a full Water Eidolon grid and not lose 2k base attack, and thus it's a damage increase. And that's just with one Ilu, if you find another one from your Friend List then it'll absolutely be worth it (outside of Elemental advantage).

Still, considering how situational it is, I'd still say to not bother with it.

Triple Tiamat + Jorm + Aqua Kaiser eido grid hype

Originally Posted by Slashley

Uuh, I still recommend to FIRST focus on maxing one Grid, but I don't think I've ever said to ONLY max one Grid? That'd be sanathlig I'd think, who wanted to complete all events with minimum amount of effort required.

Hehe, not the same tune you once sang in the past bud.

Originally Posted by Slashley

And yet, people who input far, far less effort than us can clear stuff just fine. Are they going to be slightly slower without elemental advantage? Yeah, probably. But there are advantages to sticking to a single element. Anyone can build a Grid for every element but having a good team for every element is an entirely different story. A 140% Grid and a team of SRs and maybe a couple of random SSRs with elemental advantage probably won't hold a candle against a 140% Grid and a team of key SSRs from the element you spent 2-4 Miracle Tickets on, even if the Miracle Ticket team doesn't have elemental advantage.

Originally Posted by Slashley

The point is, for those who don't want to spend a ridiculous amount of time on the game - not something I want to do, but hey? - they can focus on just one element and be able to use that on all or at least 5/6 elements. As far as time/effort goes, that's by far optimal, wouldn't you think?

Pretty clear all your arguments centered around advocating for 1 element regardless of if they'd already maxed 1 grid or not back then.

And going back to illu, I already said in my first reply that it's situational on your eido grids and what type of MLB eidos you can field in your grid. With the grid I field, I do more damage with an Illu with that extra 5-10% ele↑ as opposed to using any other event eido. You're now parroting the same thing back to me. Good to know I guess.

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I dunno, I'd say that still falls into the same category of what I said.

The game is also changing to an annoying direction on DMM. On new Hime, even Dispels work only with Elemental advantage? Really? DMM please, come on now. They're pushing Elemental advantage a bit too hard.

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

And going back to illu, I already said in my first reply that it's situational on your eido grids and what type of MLB eidos you can field in your grid. With the grid I field, I do more damage with an Illu with that extra 5-10% ele↑ as opposed to using any other event eido. You're now parroting the same thing back to me. Good to know I guess.

So... you're using your Water team against non-Fire?