Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

So my lineup now is Hercules/Shingen (later on), Cu Chulainn, awakened Gaia, SSR Cybele, and Oberon. Is it worth replacing Oberon for Titania/whoever in the future?

Originally Posted by FreeToPay

So my lineup now is Hercules/Shingen (later on), Cu Chulainn, awakened Gaia, SSR Cybele, and Oberon. Is it worth replacing Oberon for Titania/whoever in the future?

Once you get Hastur, Oberon stops being useful, you get 40% Def down with Cybele and Hastur alone.

Originally Posted by Bear

You know... I'm actually genuinely curious about your situation too. I respect that you've done pretty much everything that can be done for the grids you're focusing on. But to be very honest, for the time and $ you've spent... The performance? Damage? You've been showing is... for the lack of better word, not quite there, compared to all of those I've seen on nutaku spending the same amount of time and some even with less $.

Define seen? Since maybe they're bullshitting. Words are cheap, after all.

I would love for Ikki to make a video of his Hime + Grid + Eidolons and then do AQ4, for example.

Originally Posted by Bear

But for your fire team, just hang on til Horus. It will do a lot better after that (plus maxing your fire grid). And imo, you prolly could have played a lil more aggressively in that AQ run.

I wasn't exactly planning on doing that run, you know! I have enough fragments to LMB Herc Axe as soon as the month rolls over, so the Axe wasn't meant to be used at all until then. But NOT using it for this run would've been... uh, odd, to say the least.

And yes, I could've played more aggressively. But I didn't know how the run would go (as this was obviously my first Herc run), so I was saving up. I prefer a far more... controlling gamestyle, where things can't go wrong (combo-, I love you so very, very, VERY much). Except in raids, where others can pick up my shit if things go south. If I had known that I would effectively one-shot the last boss, I would've unloaded on wave2 as soon as all cooldowns were lined up for wave3. Most importantly, there was the huge misplay on using Amaterasu's Def+ AFTER Overdrive...

Originally Posted by Bear

p.s. Who did you spend your $ on anyway?

I whaled for Karin for waifu reasons.

Going through my videos of that:
Session 1, 50 bucks + 21k Jewels: Ares (guaranteed), Titania
Session 2, 390 bucks + 3k Jewels: Yamaraja (guaranteed), Fafnir
Session 3, 620 bucks : Acala (guaranteed), Fenrir, Susanoo, Titania, Titania, Fafnir
... I though it was 980 bucks, but it was 1060 bucks. Huh. Anyway, 1060 bucks and five SSR Hime to show for it. If it wasn't that three of them were guaranteed, that'd be about average!

Also, this is really the only reason why I even have a Fire team at all. Amaterasu showed in the next month's guaranteed SSR, I believe. If it wasn't for this Karin hunt, my Fire team would still be just SRs.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

It was never a matter of me using just myself as a standard but using what I've seen from others having played since launch, and having so, I can say it's unlikely that your average player uses all the resources available to them. I'm not sure if it was the meaningless argument between Ikki but my original post and every other one afterwards was never an attempt to drag this out like this, it was simply me questioning you, as you're someone who often provides useful details on this site, so your perspective on the matter would have been something to take note of. But in the end, if this discussions has shown me anything, it has much less to do with being an average player than simply being a dedicated player.

That is where problem lies:

Originally Posted by Bear

It's useful when your team can hit burst dmg cap which is actually pretty easy later on for average players with completed grids.

Average players with completed grids are not average players overall. They are pretty much dedicated players.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

I can't keep track how or what made the argument factor in SSR himes. However, even if you do think bear's setup is a little OP, as long as its not a crazy whale setup (like 5 MLB dragon eyes or something), what we're seeing is quite simply a glimpse of what could be if you play optimally without the need for luck. I don't think the concern was ever for what we wanted average players to accomplish...

It's mostly just me being curious about his view of what an average player was when he brought it up and decided use himself as an example as it conflicted with my opinion of him. Tried to compare my view of average players from my time playing the nutaku version to whatever his time of playing the DMM's. This obviously went downhill.

Also feels like you also missed the point as well. Me pointing out his strong SSR team does not mean I'm talking about how much damage he does or what to expect in the future, which I've already addressed. Being strong wasn't the main point but did hold relevance in the matter, that being that having a full SSR team of core(strong) himes and yet using yourself as the example for an average player was unusual, along side other factors.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

That is where problem lies:


Average players with completed grids are not average players overall. They are pretty much dedicated players.

Yea, it just seems to be conflicting views on what we consider average. He mentions that I should stop using myself as the standard, despite I never calling myself average, yet he uses himself as it, so it becomes conflicting when I don't see him as average but more than dedicated to the game.

Originally Posted by Laventale

Once you get Hastur, Oberon stops being useful, you get 40% Def down with Cybele and Hastur alone.

yeah, it's lovely having them...

heck, my current wind comp of Shingen (with the atk debuff from joan), cybele U, cu chulainn, hastur, and wind rami is smashing thunder enemies... that burst build up is insane with them and if i got titania then.... GG

Originally Posted by Aidoru

it just seems to be conflicting views on what we consider average.

the way i see it, average is pretty much someone's total power rating... other than that, there's far too many influences this game has to try and make a "standard for the average player"

between weapons and skill levels, whatever the gachas throw at you (free or paying), and when you started (cause that effectively locks you out of some powerful stuff), this game is far too random to try and set a "base line for an amount of power".

best we can really do is pretty much put out there what's the best stuff to look for at the time, but there's no true defining answer when it comes down to it... someone could possibly find a way to tank so hard, you barely lose HP, while others can nuke stuff to high hell in a turn.

this game pretty much boils down to "here's some random shit, make of it what you will"

wanna avoid the random factor as much as possible? get as much of the guaranteed stuff as you can. other than that, RNG can make you it's bitch when it wants to. case in point is how i STILL can't get a damn assault drop from the raids after over half a year, yet i pulled SSR left and right (a bunch of times for free).

i just don't have full potential yet... i never took the time to get any relic weapon yet (gonna change with the light ones here now), didn't run AQ too much, and my grids are at half the strength a lot of the frequent forumers are on here (yet i might have around the same potential assault caps)

Originally Posted by Slashley

I would love for Ikki to make a video of his Hime + Grid + Eidolons and then do AQ4, for example.

Does this work kinda? its the only thing i have atm, so sorry about that, it was a burst streak done before having herc axe some months ago, should help to know somewhat the average burst of my himes, this was obv done with belial support tho, theres no argue there XD its AQ since you can see the boss feet anyways, hope this helps.

Edit: Checked the date of the pic, it was a little more than a month ago XD.

Well, your Fire team is obviously far stronger than mine (Svarog OP OP, Uriel burst, Mars to replace Heph) so it's not a surprise that you'd do more damage there. Why not make a video of next week's AQ, or some other element?

I think I'm doing vids quite regularly. Can't you use those as comparison?

Originally Posted by nonsensei

I think I'm doing vids quite regularly. Can't you use those as comparison?

Like comparing to your latest video? Against Ult Fire Disaster, you did
564k, 596k, 641k, 616k, 484k + 2104k
818k, 750k, 767k, 897k, 784k + 3495k
While the bottom line is what I did. And my Herc Axe isn't MLB yet since I got Mordred first.

... but that doesn't give much reference, really. That's like saying that my Fire team does less than Ikki's - it's just obvious from to the teamcomp differences.