Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by MajinLuffy

-- and being so weak I've been avoiding taking a spot on ragnarok raids for devil medals thinking I may screw up the whole thing for everybody there :/ (and the event is just one week long) --

Everyone is weak at first, don't worry about it. You just need to leech max 50 Ragnaroks in order to one day become strong enough to help other leeches. It's a beautiful cycle.

As a Water main, it REALLY helps to have proper Thunder stuff. I mean, what are you going to farm Water stuff with?
Well, Wind helps you more in general since Thunder is the one content that's painful for you, but eh!

Originally Posted by MajinLuffy

I did that once, got blasted and nobody joined, so instead of wasting AP and a whole hour of my team locked on that --

Yeah, that can happen... but join a Union? Union invites are by far the most reliable.

Also, it should happen less in general once the event gets a day or two in.

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

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Fire- Svarog, Mars, Amaterasu
Water- Nike Unleashed, Poseidon, Cthulhu
Wind- Titania, Aether, Cybele Unleahsed
Thunder- Raiko, Baal Unleashed, Jupiter
Light- Tsukiyomi, SSR Artemis (forgot the name), Sol
Dark- Thanatos, Chernabog, Amon Unleashed
--

I really disagree with a couple of choices here:
No Uriel in Fire.
Poseidon is... noooot what I'd recommend until her Awakening is out. That's a long, long way out. For anyone starting a Water team from scratch, the option is basically always Cthulhu only due to her incredible range of abilities (and amazing Awakening wayyyy down the line).
I wouldn't recommend Jupiter to anyone building a Thunder team from scratch. That's Athena's job, as she can single handedly carry Thunder against Water fights. She sucks ass everywhere else, though, so recommending Raiko and (ugh) SSR Baal is fine. Phantom element Thor always deserves a mention too.
Amon Unleashed for somebody who has Satan is... not ideal. Yet. Once SSR Amon gets her rework to C frame, she's great with Awakened Satan - the two of them reach -50% Def by themselves! But, until then, SSR Amon isn't very impressive for teams with Satan.

Overall I had way less beef with all that than what I expected. Should I say good job?

Originally Posted by Slashley

Everyone is weak at first, don't worry about it. You just need to leech max 50 Ragnaroks in order to one day become strong enough to help other leeches. It's a beautiful cycle.

As a Water main, it REALLY helps to have proper Thunder stuff. I mean, what are you going to farm Water stuff with?
Well, Wind helps you more in general since Thunder is the one content that's painful for you, but eh!Yeah, that can happen... but join a Union? Union invites are by far the most reliable.

Also, it should happen less in general once the event gets a day or two in.I really disagree with a couple of choices here:
No Uriel in Fire.
Poseidon is... noooot what I'd recommend until her Awakening is out. That's a long, long way out. For anyone starting a Water team from scratch, the option is basically always Cthulhu only due to her incredible range of abilities (and amazing Awakening wayyyy down the line).
I wouldn't recommend Jupiter to anyone building a Thunder team from scratch. That's Athena's job, as she can single handedly carry Thunder against Water fights. She sucks ass everywhere else, though, so recommending Raiko and (ugh) SSR Baal is fine. Phantom element Thor always deserves a mention too.
Amon Unleashed for somebody who has Satan is... not ideal. Yet. Once SSR Amon gets her rework to C frame, she's great with Awakened Satan - the two of them reach -50% Def by themselves! But, until then, SSR Amon isn't very impressive for teams with Satan.

Overall I had way less beef with all that than what I expected. Should I say good job?

Poseidon is a pick specifically for fire tower 15F... that and/ or Aphrodite. But veteran things.

Marduk also becomes meta later on, and Raiko Baal U would be solid picks.

As for dark... can't go wrong with Satan AW Herc. Amon U and Thanatos are basically nothing but debuff slaves. By no means terrible to have, but definitely not worth mtixing IMO. What you really need is Berith in a dark setup. Oh and Pluto. Pls don't forget lego loli.

Consider Mike for light, she gets a borken ass awakening down the line. Also light dps overlord meta in the future anyway. Banzai

Berith is godlike on a dark team, I'm not experienced with the other dark himes but I have berith and chernobog on the same team and they seem pretty op. Beriths counters can do some big deeps and she can avoid one death.

Future content makes it hard to land debuff. While getting to 50% def down is still the cheapest (and easiest) way to increase your damage, solely mtixing someone just because they provide def down could be a costly decision in future.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

As for dark... can't go wrong with Satan AW Herc. Amon U and Thanatos are basically nothing but debuff slaves. By no means terrible to have, but definitely not worth mtixing IMO. What you really need is Berith in a dark setup. Oh and Pluto. Pls don't forget lego loli.

considering she also generates burst quite well, wouldn't that give thanatos more weight?

Originally Posted by Shieun

Future content makes it hard to land debuff. While getting to 50% def down is still the cheapest (and easiest) way to increase your damage, solely mtixing someone just because they provide def down could be a costly decision in future.

could easily say that for wind enemy content (which is why i suggested Ama and Mars cause they do more than just debuff). not sure about other content though.

but on that note buffers that come in different frames would be ideal, cause they're also an easy ticket to high damage for a few turns at the very least. going by personal experience, 160% elemental attack and 80% assault still generates over 50k per hit for a few turns with a team of Arthur (flat atk buff), Svarog (stack atk buff), Yama (elem atk buff), and Dakki (rampaging). remove the rampaging part and replace it with PF and that's still a high amount of burst damage. toss in def debuffs and this only grows in damage

Quick question, do same Eidolon passives stack? Example would x2 belials give you 200% fire dmg? I assume they do, just want to make sure, because I saw someone with a 105% belial and was trying to rationalize why someone would do that.

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

considering she also generates burst quite well, wouldn't that give thanatos more weight?



could easily say that for wind enemy content (which is why i suggested Ama and Mars cause they do more than just debuff). not sure about other content though.

but on that note buffers that come in different frames would be ideal, cause they're also an easy ticket to high damage for a few turns at the very least. going by personal experience, 160% elemental attack and 80% assault still generates over 50k per hit for a few turns with a team of Arthur (flat atk buff), Svarog (stack atk buff), Yama (elem atk buff), and Dakki (rampaging). remove the rampaging part and replace it with PF and that's still a high amount of burst damage. toss in def debuffs and this only grows in damage

More weight than Amon... sure I'll give her that pass. But Pluto and Berith offer far more utility compared to Thanatos in most other ways to begin with, so I'd have her dropped to low priority. Since we are talking about mtix after all.

Ama doesn't do more than debuff... and a bit of heal. A rebalance is long overdue for her tbh, even in DMM version. Mars is... a bit more useful than Ama considering the nuke multiplier and dispel, but wirag don't got terrible buffs to dispel anyway. Just go Uriel. Wind content basically cares nothing about debuffs for the next year.

Originally Posted by Dais

Quick question, do same Eidolon passives stack? Example would x2 belials give you 200% fire dmg? I assume they do, just want to make sure, because I saw someone with a 105% belial and was trying to rationalize why someone would do that.

Yes, but not the way you think.

You get the passive only from the main slot eido. That's where the first 100% goes to. There's another main slot eido that is exclusively friend only slot, and that's where you can stick at 2nd 100% eido... from your friend list. Therefore, any extra 100% you get should go into LBing.

Originally Posted by Slashley

As a Water main, it REALLY helps to have proper Thunder stuff. I mean, what are you going to farm Water stuff with?

You farm Water content with your Water team, or else you're not a Water main, are you? When you've committed yourself to raising 3/6 elements, you've diluted the economy of focusing on one element. Might as well raise all 6 elements equally at that point.

On the other hand, the eidolon is valuable to all new players regardless of element. On the way to that, you'll pick up the weapon anyway.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

You farm Water content with your Water team, or else you're not a Water main, are you? When you've committed yourself to raising 3/6 elements, you've diluted the economy of focusing on one element. Might as well raise all 6 elements equally at that point.

On the other hand, the eidolon is valuable to all new players regardless of element. On the way to that, you'll pick up the weapon anyway.

Eh. Anyone planning to be relevant in the game should be picking up and keeping all event weapons save the absolute trash like Adra's bow anyway.

Overfarming is another thing, but you get my drift. The final goal for a veteran is still to get 6 functional element teams, it's only a matter of time.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

Anyone planning to be relevant in the game

This is really elitist-sounding--dismissing those who have different goals or priorities as "irrelevant". Not everyone aspires to be in the top 10 or wants to dedicate most of their free time to this game. This sort of mentality causes the population that doesn't share these goals--which is, frankly, the vast majority--to tune out the thought leaders in the community. Because to them, opinions like this make the community leaders "irrelevant".