Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by KTA

No, unfortunately, Andromeda is a noob-trap and should never be considered before Hercules. Andromeda is only for people who know what they are doing with an endurance build/need to clear the corresponding GO mission. Refuting this point-by-point:

1. Water CAN reach cap without Hercules, but if you can't hit it now, then it's a moot point. To my knowledge, he doesn't have Cthulu, the source of the remaining C-Frame Defense down. Vohu Manah. Therefore, he's stuck at 35% DEF down right now. Get Hercules. It's better for his future too.
2. He doesn't know how to do Guild Order. If he doesn't improve quickly, he's going to take 8 weeks before he can buy the Orichalcon weapon.
3. He's a new player, he shouldn't be investing in the very niche Andromeda Soul Weapon just for Guild Order when he likely already has trouble just getting Regalia.
4. Hercules doesn't take a very long time. With 30% BG added from the axe and high combo rate up, Hercules tends to be able to solo burst at the start for new players who don't have fast teams.
5. Joan should be unlocked in the appropriate chain of Soul unlocking.

In summary, don't get Andromeda before getting Hercules. The first thing new players need to do is do enough damage to comfortably meet damage checks. It's also more AAB friendly.

I refute it to one by one.
1. He should have Atalanta soon. Atalanta is free raid himes so he should get from ticket and 10% def debuff is small why you need 25% he only need 10% to reach cap and Hercules need time to fill her burst too.

2. Andromeda is best honestly i beat all GO using andromeda and only one of my account that use hercules because i made mistake picking wrong soul weapon that time. Those accounts one shot go mission and i use glass cannon build aka fire team with only amaterasu and svarog.
3. 30 regalia is very small to get. Compare to hercules 120 its 90 regalia shorter

Healing can help you for needed stalling for burst not some reckless run. Stalling is much safer and guaranteed full burst and hp, ability staxking frame etc in GO.

4. Andromed isnt niche hercules is very niche for newbie Hercules can't heal 700 is the maximim damage cap of hercules excep she got cap increase. Newbie prolly only nuke at 300. Its weak tbh. And hercules also bad in aab actually one of the worst unlike Andromeda the best in aab. I have been very long solo full aab water ragna with neutral and only recently can do with hercules and its not comfortable too.

5. I made mistake with joan he has ryu oh he doesn't need joan he can get whatever he need after getting andromeda.

Tl.dr going hercules when still newbie its very bad idea. Hercules charm is only her frame when you have it covered enough its not really Charming. All my accounts do all with andromeda and doinf very decent i don't see reason to go hercules except you want to go acc 5 and need more debuff and offensive. Even with andromeda you can still beat acc 5 if you covered all debuff. I also can one shoot all mission with any soul and I don't really feel any need of hercules. More damage yes but its winmoar regardless you can clear all debuff or not. If you can cover all debuff going shingen also better because lance grid also much better than axe grid and have provisional forest too. I said hercules is noob trap because you don't get anything by opening hercules. No debuff nothing you need tons of regalia (120) to make Hercules looks special and if your opponent is debuff resistant she is useless too unlike Andromeda that is durable in any situation can stall and waiting opponent buff expired as her advantage when hercules debuff will expire if use this strategy. Andromeda also will heal 4800 with union event grails make him the strongest soul in union event except you use paralock thor.

Originally Posted by Slashley

They do.

What you can stack:
1. As many normal damage cuts as you want (Joan, Raiko, Snow Raph, Perun, etc.)
2. One Reflect (AoE Reflect is really rare, but some Hime and Souls have them for self, such as Herc)
3. One Elemental Resistance, such as Awakened Gaia
(4. One Eidolon Elemental Resistance? I still don't have Kaisers, so I haven't tested that. Can you stack these on top of Hime-based Elemental Resistance?)

Stacking these to 100% or above will cause all damage to do 0 damage to you. However, this is different from "miss" damage, as 0 damage is enough to cause debuffs on you.

It does work, you can stack kaisers on top of hime based elemental resistance buffs. My example being stacking michael with a light kaiser

Ah sleepy make my typing worse.
Oh yea about there is another ascension in early Feb its good haven't checked it. Its up to him i like strong ascension multiplier having more than one isn't bad idea. 54% ascension if you have 2 ascension weapon can increase nike healing above 1200.

Originally Posted by Slashley

1. As many normal damage cuts as you want (Joan, Raiko, Snow Raph, Perun, etc.)

I stand corrected.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

1. He should have Atalanta soon.--

Finding Atalanta is pure RNG. He might find her next Advent, he might find her next year, he might never find her.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

4. Andromed isnt niche hercules is very niche for newbie Hercules can't heal 700 is the maximim damage cap of hercules excep she got cap increase. Newbie prolly only nuke at 300. Its weak tbh.

You do realize that Herc's nuke scales in proportion of your damage, right? So if it's only doing 300k, then it isn't weak - it's probably worth ~2 turns of your damage output. And that's no small thing in GO, since there's often some extremely dangerous enemy that has to die ASAP!


Overall, yes, Andro can help newer players do things they wouldn't be able to do otherwise. But your grammar and reasonings for it are... lacking to put it mildly. Anyway, I still wouldn't recommend Andromeda for newer players - just roll with Cass if you need the healing. Don't get Andromeda until you have the basics down, and Herc's self-buffs are so damn powerful that even without her Relic, she's well worth her place in the "basics" section.

Also, reminder of the The "which Soul should I use?" thread.

Whats next? getting an ascension thor hammer grid on thunder so unregistered guy aka tigerninja can satisfy his andromeda hard-on?

Eidolon passive resistance also stacks with itself and on top of everything else, I believe.

[QUOTE=Slashley;137632]Finding Atalanta is pure RNG. He might find her next Advent, he might find her next year, he might never find her.You do realize that Herc's nuke scales in proportion of your damage, right? So if it's only doing 300k, then it isn't weak - it's probably worth ~2 turns of your damage output. And that's no small thing in GO, since there's often some extremely dangerous enemy that has to die ASAP!


Overall, yes, Andro can help newer players do things they wouldn't be able to do otherwise. But your grammar and reasonings for it are... lacking to put it mildly. Anyway, I still wouldn't recommend Andromeda for newer players - just roll with Cass if you need the healing. Don't get Andromeda until you have the basics down, and Herc's self-buffs are so damn powerful that even without her Relic, she's well worth her place in the "basics" section.

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If you want to kill enemy asap you can stall using andromeda and prepare burst, ability, hp, stacking frame so when the nemesis comes you can one shot it not relies on single weak nukes.

Hercules is for non newbies i won't advise hercules for newbies because Hercules is still glass cannon build. Cassiopeia healing is weak so it will scale bad with ascension and has no resurrection something that's efficient in GO mission compared to mostly useless chaos magic in GO cuz sometime waiting to expire better than rely on long cd chaos magic.

You're overemphasizing Guild Order usage based on a certain power level range. For a larger percentage of overall game time, Cassiopeia is sufficient if you need a healer (or even the better choice); Mirai can afford to put Andromeda off to later.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Eidolon passive resistance also stacks with itself and on top of everything else, I believe.

Oh, right. Those are basically #1 damage cuts, 10% each. So you only need to stack the rest up to 80% if you run two of them, which I doubt you ever will.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

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Hercules is for non newbies i won't advise hercules for newbies because Hercules is still glass cannon build.--

Hercules is as far from a glass cannon as anything can be. She's probably THE most tankiest thing in the entire game right now?

And Cass heals for 240/t while Andromeda heals for 320/t. Is that more? Yes. But I doubt it'll make or break your GO runs. Also, Andromeda's res is pitiful for anything except the whole "have 7 people survive GO" mission. It has a lot of problems:
1. Resurrected allies get fuck-all HP, which means that they're basically just going to die again.
2. Resurrected allies get thrown to last slot, so if you needed that Hime, FUCK YOU. She's gone now and will only be back once more Hime die. And... again, will have basically no HP so will just die again.
3. While dead or in backrow, their ability cooldowns won't be shortened by turns. So there's a high chance that when you DO get your Hime back, she can't do anything. And then she'll die due to her low HP.

The whole resurrect ability is the ultimate newbie trap. It looks soooooo good on paper, but in reality it's soooooooo daaaaaaaaaamn baaaaaaaaaaaaaad!!