Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Gludateton

In what aspect it doesn't compare ? --

This exactly:

Originally Posted by Gludateton

-- Let's not forget about thing that makes Tit work so well, which is her assist, that makes her not as starved for BG as Saraswati is.

So, let's compare:
Awakened Titania: 50% Double + 30% Triple, 75% uptime
Saraswati (buffed): 45% Double + 30% Triple, 50% uptime, hits self + ally

The uptime difference is a huge deal, especially when you consider that Awakened Titania doesn't even need that buff to herself (thanks to her OP OP passive) and thus there's no actual downside to that vastly improved uptime.

That's why I don't think that Saraswati compares to Awakened Titania, even after buffs. Titania can carry a team nearly all by herself, whileas Saraswati needs help... specifically from Vohu, pretty much.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

how work the defense stat in the girls????they don´t have it in number like atk stat
and which accessory effect are good hp is good or is too small to be useful

Def is one of the better stats for Accessories, if not the best. If you want to know how much less damage you take from it, it's basically just halved. So if you hit 10% more Def, you're taking roughly 5% less damage.

Originally Posted by Laventale

Rings are the way to go if you want to increase defense for your girls.

What? On what basis?

I'd say that it's easier to find non-Rings/Earrings that have two Def Ups than Rings with two. And Rings have a poor statline as well, though that doesn't make much of a difference.

speakin of titania
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Originally Posted by Slashley

Def is one of the better stats for Accessories, if not the best. If you want to know how much less damage you take from it, it's basically just halved. So if you hit 10% more Def, you're taking roughly 5% less damage.What? On what basis?

I'd say that it's easier to find non-Rings/Earrings that have two Def Ups than Rings with two. And Rings have a poor statline as well, though that doesn't make much of a difference.

Why is it only half value on the Def stat? I thought Defense was it's own stat applied after damage calc.

On Rings... he's probably referring to target down innate on having a set. I can see using that for the back row healer in a team that you don't want to lose and doesn't need massive amounts of BG (like Sol in slot 4).

Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

Why is it only half value on the Def stat? I thought Defense was it's own stat applied after damage calc.

Because 100% base. So -50% damage taken (half) is at 100% Def. Which, by the way, is stupendously hard to reach. It's possible, but not with any kind of uptime.

20% at full uptime is plenty possible from Accessories though, which is effectively 10% more HP and has synergy with heals.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

On Rings... he's probably referring to target down innate on having a set. I can see using that for the back row healer in a team that you don't want to lose and doesn't need massive amounts of BG (like Sol in slot 4).

Too bad that Tiara Set Bonus exists, so you'll never, ever want to even consider tactics like these. It's 3x Tiaras or go home. It's just stupid, but you gotta play by the game's rules.

Originally Posted by Slashley

This exactly:So, let's compare:
Awakened Titania: 50% Double + 30% Triple, 75% uptime
Saraswati (buffed): 45% Double + 30% Triple, 50% uptime, hits self + ally

The uptime difference is a huge deal, especially when you consider that Awakened Titania doesn't even need that buff to herself (thanks to her OP OP passive) and thus there's no actual downside to that vastly improved uptime.

That's why I don't think that Saraswati compares to Awakened Titania, even after buffs. Titania can carry a team nearly all by herself, whileas Saraswati needs help... specifically from Vohu, pretty much.

Are we comparing buffs or Kamihime now ? Because last time I've checked Titania didn't have 50% damage cut and 2k heal, which apparently may be quite useful with that new 25% Vigor buff in water. While in Tit's case the more fast Kamihime you get, the less useful she is, and wind have quite a number of fast Kamihime (CC AW, QB, "Everyone can be Herc") or El (she doesn't seem like she would work that well with combo boosters).
Let's decide then, whether we compare buffs in vacuum, or Kamihime, because from my understanding in first post you compared buffs.

Originally Posted by Slashley

If you want to know how much less damage you take from it, it's basically just halved. So if you hit 10% more Def, you're taking roughly 5% less damage.

What the actual fuck Slashley ? I mean yes, when you have 90% DEF increase, then additional 10% increase will equal in 5% less damage, but...
From 0 value 10% def gives 1/1.1 ~ 0.91, so about 9% less damage.
From my standpoint DEF is best described as % of effective HP and effective healing increase, which doesn't work on DoTs.

Originally Posted by Gludateton

Are we comparing buffs or Kamihime now ?

Either way you look at it, Awakened Titania is just better. It's either the same buff with one having more uptime, or a more solid +burst package with self-gain over being able to heal one person every 6 turns.

But hey, we can just agree to disagree on Saraswati, yeah?

Originally Posted by Gludateton

What the actual fuck Slashley ? I mean yes, when you have 90% DEF increase, then additional 10% increase will equal in 5% less damage, but...
From 0 value 10% def gives 1/1.1 ~ 0.91, so about 9% less damage.
From my standpoint DEF is best described as % of effective HP and effective healing increase, which doesn't work on DoTs.

Hmm, that isn't my experience with Andromeda buff, but it seems that my very own damage calc agrees with you ￣\_(ツ)_/￣
Well, mostly, since it gives as much EHP going from 0% -> 100% and from 100% -> 200%. Of course, the increase in % is smaller, but as a value. And it should be noted that my EHP calculations are extremely lazy and could be all fucked up - it's a damage calc, the survival stuff is there as a bonus.

I guess I'll have retest Andromeda's +def buff. If this turns out to be true, that'd mean that I've been wrong about Def for about... oh, 1.5 years

Originally Posted by Slashley

Either way you look at it, Awakened Titania is just better. It's either the same buff with one having more uptime, or a more solid +burst package with self-gain over being able to heal one person every 6 turns.

But hey, we can just agree to disagree on Saraswati, yeah?

I wouldn't say a word, if you have said you are comparing Saraswati to Awakened Tit, because I don't think comparing two Kamihime in different elements, with different needs would bring anything worthy to discussion.
But you did compare buffs, so I guess you like 50%/30% with 75% uptime on one Kamihime more than 45%/30% with 50% uptime on 2 Kamihimes. Noted. I'd in many situations prefer second one, but to each their own.

saraswati > titania
titania AW > saraswati

*Comparing two different element Kamihime*

Sureeeeeeeeee.......

who gives a fuck if they're two different element, lmao