Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Oh, yea, Wind is relatively defender starved. Outside of Kyuuki bow, your remaining viable SSR options are... FLB'd Garuda hammer x2, Garuda axe if you're fine with Vigoras instead of Assault or Pride (July), and Stolas axe (November). It's why I think that Sytry's gun from Monoceros right now is a viable stopgap option if you crave some HP.

s assault+ s defender dualskill sr is a good option for a long time for almost everyone. We will have fire bow and something dark (lance?) with this skillset too. Another option - hime weapon like Hastur's orb (L defender+ S assault), that is great even LB0.
BTW, Kuyuki is not reprinted on DMM yet, but we have another Typhon on DMM reprint right now - only in 1 year after previous. I pray about Garuda's another reprint because both weapons are amazing, not like Typhon's.
Kuyuki bow FLB should be L defender+ s assault, like Sphinx hammer.

Originally Posted by Slashley

In addition, people put Exceed on a pedestal. Which I don't think it deserves at all. It's only special when you need more burst cap, and only gigantic whales have issues with that.

While its true that f2p have a harder time reaching cap, i know many people who have spent way less $ than you (aka dolphins) who are reaching burst over 1M like nothing (thanks to exceed), so yeah exceed is a need for many of us already and its not gigantic whales territory like you paint it.

Originally Posted by Ikki

While its true that f2p have a harder time reaching cap, i know many people who have spent way less $ than you (aka dolphins) who are reaching burst over 1M like nothing (thanks to exceed), so yeah exceed is a need for many of us already and its not gigantic whales territory like you paint it.

How?

I mean, being full Thunder baka, my Thunder team can barely break 1m. With full debuffs. And PF. And a Crit proc. That's not an easy combination to pull off with Thunder. Do I have any need for a second Exceed? Nope. I'm still getting one in a couple of months, not much I can do about that.
My Water team can also break 1m, with Crit proc and low HP.
Dark team is starting to be full FLB, so Susanoo with her +150% Assault is starting to creep on 1m even without Crits procs. I doubt that I'd have any need for a second Exceed for her... probably ever. Meanwhile, Cherno can hit 1.4m+ because of her 150% Assault and absolutely crazy 50% Crit.
Wind team would probably be getting close to 1m with those 4x FLBs, but not something I'll have Ori for for months.


The game is ultimately purely about maths. And those numbers are the same for everyone. So, how exactly does one "reach 1m like nothing"?

Originally Posted by Slashley

The game is ultimately purely about maths. And those numbers are the same for everyone. So, how exactly does one "reach 1m like nothing"?

Its a matter of having the right himes and maxed grids, with wind people are doing over 1M easily since exceed + aether, same thing with thunder cause aphro, water i suppose that grid + ashy, my water isnt up there but alakah, non and some other dolphins hit over 1M like nothing, for dark i know that mlw hits cap etc, all of them find great value out of exceed, its just a matter of how advanced is your grid, you can ask them yourself how they get that, and all of them are just casual spenders or dolphins, whoever you prefer, they arent galactic whale territory where madnug superxham etc lives.

Originally Posted by Ikki

Its a matter of having the right himes and maxed grids, with wind people are doing over 1M easily since exceed + aether,

Aether would do that, yes. She gets you from 700% burst modifier to 1000% burst modifier. But that's like saying that Uriel bursts for 2m.

At least Aether has been in Miracle Ticket for those who wanted her.

Originally Posted by Ikki

same thing with thunder cause aphro,

Ah yes, purely a matter of pure skill, that one.

Originally Posted by Ikki

water i suppose that grid + ashy,

I have Asherah, where do you think the Crit comes from? And also reaching about the same burst damage as Thunder, despite Thunder being full +99 and Water not. Still, at most I can make use out of one Exceed at best. And that's when Asherah's low chance Crit happens.

So, where was this easily again? What about you and your Wind Rag farming team, do you find yourself in need of Exceed?

Originally Posted by Slashley

So, where was this easily again? What about you and your Wind Rag farming team, do you find yourself in need of Exceed?

All of those you mentioned are easy ways of getting to cap, maxed grid and right himes and you are already getting 1M like nothing, is exceed needed in those cases? yes it's needed, so why is this a discussion again? i said that dolphins are reaching 1m with those setups so they do need and make great use of exceed, you just proved my point, and i didn't mention fire cause that is prob big whale territory, you do need a whale grid and some huge stats to reach cap with himes outside uriel on fire, thats why fire is known to be whale element tho, you could say its a special snowflake, and idk about light cause i hardly play it, idk if nonsensei reaches cap on light or not, but if he doesnt then its not that easy.

Edit: this whole thing was because you said that reaching cap was gigantic whale territory, and thats just false and you know it, so dont drag this any longer.

Originally Posted by Ikki

All of those you mentioned are easy ways of getting to cap, maxed grid and right himes and you are already getting 1M like nothing, is exceed needed in those cases?--

Your definition of "like nothing" is very strange. We're literally talking Crit procs, which ranges from 10-45% chances.

So outside of pure luck based crits, how does one hit 1m burst like nothing again? I'll accept Aether, but that's still one element. Apparently Fire is a no-go, what about the rest?

Generally speaking, atm most grid can benefit from at least 1 exceed to push the cap a bit higher than 1m, and it's really not hard at all to include 1 or 2 anyways since there aren't that many options. It's not until you start thinking about building your null grid and "finalizing" it that you really need to worry about how much room you have left for exceed in the remaining 3-4 slot (assuming no exceed in your main weapon type). IF you're thinking longer term (not wanting to waste your flb and +99s), I think you'd want to consider at least 2 exceed just for future growth. 3 is ideal, ofc, but perhaps a bit too optimistic for most.

Originally Posted by Slashley

So outside of pure luck based crits, how does one hit 1m burst like nothing again? I'll accept Aether, but that's still one element. Apparently Fire is a no-go, what about the rest?

Like this:
Herc

Rest of team.

Well... it is fire ult, so things are easier, but no crits, no Aether (no, I didn't go for 'sacrificial pawn' shenanigans). My grid is not fully enhanced yet (I focused on thunder for now), but there's Kaiser buff.

Originally Posted by Gludateton

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Well... it is fire ult, so things are easier, --

... do I REALLY need to say that Ults don't count? That's 4 Def when compared to 5, so you have what, 20% extra damage (I can't be arsed to even think the exact number, but it's around an always on Crit). And do I REALLY need to also specify no numbers with Union buffs (+100% Assault and +150% Burst) before somebody suggests those as well? ... although I guess that'd be valid since Union content is serious business...

All the numbers I listed were against 10 Def. And no Union buffs.