Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Mraktar

Shingen has multihit buff and +20 burst every 7t, so if you want to burst every 3-4t, you will skip it every second cycle.
Jupiter? 20 self burst 6t cd... ok, it's realy helps Dian to burst faster. So does Tyr's 35(8). As i see, only Shingen's buff and MP skill and Rayko's zeal with 8t cd can up Dian's burst. It limits us to Shingen Baal U Raiko Tyr aw (we need her -def debuff to hit at least 45% with baal u) Dian group. No single hime can't be replaced at all to make it work.

Actually, Shingen's "Roaring Blaze" ability is on a 3T CD meaning 20+ OR 35+ (with Heaven and Earth Lance) every 3T, as well as a high DATA AND Normal attacks grants an additional 2% Burst Gauge per hit on her Assist.

edit: oh, you meant her MEX, my bad

Originally Posted by Mraktar

Shingen has multihit buff and +20 burst every 7t, so if you want to burst every 3-4t, you will skip it every second cycle.

shingen MEX is 6 cd, and tiaras exist, just leave before creating more memes.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

I have 0 thunder ssr at DMM so i realy don't know how this element works there, but you can laugh if you want. Not everyone have full ssr team for every element (especialy for thunder, where sr are so bad so it's a go-whale-or-go-home element).
On Nutaku - just Marduk.

Oh i didnt mean your tower run, but some people that i know memeing hard on it, whats funny is your claims so far.

There is no need to be mean.

my first attempt at properly solo-ing wind catastrophe ult went better than planned (on DMM)
pretty smooth battle for the most part.

incredibly fast burst build having uriel+haruhi+frey all together (slowest being nergal yet she's in the 2nd slot, lmao) don't judge me!11!!1!
can't wait til I have enough HSP for masamune shingen!
but until then, souls can vary... stuck to Arthur for now just because I foddered Hercs' pride bow
but I think I prefer it this way.
neither Arthur/Nergal are slow just because of the high DATA I have... and SR Nergal is fucking amazing (like Gaia) she is a huge tank when it comes to single target overdrives <3

Originally Posted by Mraktar

Shingen has multihit buff and +20 burst every 7t, so if you want to burst every 3-4t, you will skip it every second cycle.
Jupiter? 20 self burst 6t cd... ok, it's realy helps Dian to burst faster. So does Tyr's 35(8). As i see, only Shingen's buff and MP skill and Raiko's zeal with 8t cd can up Dian's burst. It limits us to Shingen Baal U Raiko Tyr aw (we need her -def debuff to hit at least 45% with baal u) Dian group. No single hime can't be replaced at all to make it work.

Oh boi. You really live under a rock do you? Shingen's MEX CD error aside (It's 6CD), your information is completely 2018 outdated. Raiko AW reduces her zeal to 7CD. Jupiter's Self BG is 30 now. And she has Self DATA buff from using her Ability nuke. And no mention of Marduk AW's Instant Burst ability giving herself an Enthusiasm buff that gives her 10BG/T for 3T, effectively allowing you to use her burst as a free team 10BG up. And did you just ignore Brahma on purpose?! What about Perkele who starts battle with 50BG and can Self +100BG every 6T? Each and everyone of these are tools that speed up your burst cycle.

Team restriction? Do you even raid? The fact that you are worrying about def down tells me that you either don't do raids or you are just a random leech. As somebody who hosts and MVP majority of his Lv90 Catastrophe / Lv100 Guardian raids, lemme tell you this: You wanna live long? You forget about debuffs. You bring your best dmg dealers or Andro depending on your chosen role, and balance it out with your best survival build using sufficient dmg cut / heals / utilities. Debuffs? That's leecher's job. Not capping debuff isn't gonna kill you if you actually brought the right tools and not suck at manualing. Missing your debuffs when you got nothing else is guaranteed GG. Don't believe me? Go on. Try host a Guardian raid with your prized capped debuff team. See how long you can last and how much dmg you can deal before somebody else join to pick up your corpse.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

-- Debuffs? That's leecher's job. --

And yet, without these "leechers" you wouldn't be doing fuck-all damage. Or survive nearly as long.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

especialy for thunder, where sr are so bad so it's a go-whale-or-go-home element

This actually triggered me. Are we like year behind, when "either you have debuff or go home" ? Thunder got Noel for free (sux if someone missed event), thunder have amazing Cyclops, Gryla is quite decent, Kingu is really strong single target tank and many of them can dish quite ok damage. Times of "thunder's bad SRs" are long gone.

On a side note, now that I look at it, almost all mentioned SRs by me have debuffs (that's not why they are good though).

Originally Posted by Slashley

And yet, without these "leechers" you wouldn't be doing fuck-all damage. Or survive nearly as long.

No? Afaik DMM folks are already running semi-solo builds to deal with off peak hours where nobody joins til raid is half dead. Surely a half dead boss is much more enticing to pubs than one that hardly took a dent? (For the record, some of them ended up soloing since nobody joined.) Heck, these people aren't even whales. Just dolphins or ancient f2pers. Leechers? To be frank, they're hardly important at all. Just tag and grab your free loots.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Oh boi. You really live under a rock do you? Shingen's MEX CD error aside (It's 6CD), your information is completely 2018 outdated. Raiko AW reduces her zeal to 7CD. Jupiter's Self BG is 30 now. And she has Self DATA buff from using her Ability nuke. And no mention of Marduk AW's Instant Burst ability giving herself an Enthusiasm buff that gives her 10BG/T for 3T, effectively allowing you to use her burst as a free team 10BG up. And did you just ignore Brahma on purpose?! What about Perkele who starts battle with 50BG and can Self +100BG every 6T? Each and everyone of these are tools that speed up your burst cycle.

Team restriction? Do you even raid? The fact that you are worrying about def down tells me that you either don't do raids or you are just a random leech. As somebody who hosts and MVP majority of his Lv90 Catastrophe / Lv100 Guardian raids, lemme tell you this: You wanna live long? You forget about debuffs. You bring your best dmg dealers or Andro depending on your chosen role, and balance it out with your best survival build using sufficient dmg cut / heals / utilities. Debuffs? That's leecher's job. Not capping debuff isn't gonna kill you if you actually brought the right tools and not suck at manualing. Missing your debuffs when you got nothing else is guaranteed GG. Don't believe me? Go on. Try host a Guardian raid with your prized capped debuff team. See how long you can last and how much dmg you can deal before somebody else join to pick up your corpse.

Yes, you're right, i'm a random leecher because i don't have a lot ssrs, actualy my only full ssr group is water, but with bad grid thanks to event scedule (5 disaster sr for example) and no Shingen so i can only to solo fire ulti or leech90/100 lvl raids. Other teams are even worse (only wind with Frigg Iblis Aether Arianrod and almost full ssr grid with 2 FLB is okay too).

Originally Posted by Mraktar

Yes, you're right, i'm a random leecher because i don't have a lot ssrs, actualy my only full ssr group is water, but with bad grid thanks to event scedule (5 disaster sr for example) and no Shingen so i can only to solo fire ulti or leech90/100 lvl raids. Other teams are even worse (only wind with Frigg Iblis Aether Arianrod and almost full ssr grid with 2 FLB is okay too).

Although my dmm fire has 2 ssrs ( uriel AW and amat) im no damage carry so you know what i do? I use a joan spear and change my himes depending on what i need to survive against content. That already makes me a raid support that can bring in 60% dmg cut for the whole raid. I dont need full SSRs or hyper carries to not be a leech. I contribute to the raid through other means by surviving and giving damage cuts
And yes i do bring debuffs sometimes but they are so redundant i find myself using Joan's 2 MEX more