Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Unregistered

For your fire, both TbJ or BP is find, go with what you like, but for content like GO, Sniper Shot is still a very strong skill because it’s AOE 20% atk/def debuff. For your dark, Herc is not only for the def debuff, she is also fast enough for dark, tanky and do good dmg. And null axe for dark is one of the easiest F2p null grid in the game (and strong too because Dark UE axe is FLB Pride Defender). So any dark team would like to stick with herc forever

Hmm, I really should set up two different team loadouts for each element, but then stuff like the Tower happens and I want the free space for teams to do that.
For general purpose I think I'll probably go with Herc with Trial by Jury for the time being, then. I doubt I'll use my Fires in Guild Orders much...my Light team is working moderately against the Light one now that I'm getting the hang of it, so I assume they'll be okay for other elements too.

I haven't gotten a single Phantom weapon yet, so I probably shouldn't be thinking that far ahead.
My Darks lack Atk Down so I was using Trial by Jury with Shingen so far. Do you think Shingen works for Dark? I've got Osiris with a small party-wide burst increase, and both Chernobog and Satan Awakened have combo-boosting skills. If that's not enough then I'll just switch to Herc and start buying her axes with the regalia I've saved up. I can buy two Dark soul weapons right now.
I do have the union Dark axe. One copy is broken to three stars, and I have two extra copies as well. I've also got this Dark hammer from union battles too, but only at two stars. Will there be another one where I can get more? And while I'm at it, will there be more events where I can get the Light union Staff? I have only one copy of that.

Originally Posted by Argo

Hmm, I really should set up two different team loadouts for each element, but then stuff like the Tower happens and I want the free space for teams to do that.
For general purpose I think I'll probably go with Herc with Trial by Jury for the time being, then. I doubt I'll use my Fires in Guild Orders much...my Light team is working moderately against the Light one now that I'm getting the hang of it, so I assume they'll be okay for other elements too.

I haven't gotten a single Phantom weapon yet, so I probably shouldn't be thinking that far ahead.
My Darks lack Atk Down so I was using Trial by Jury with Shingen so far. Do you think Shingen works for Dark? I've got Osiris with a small party-wide burst increase, and both Chernobog and Satan Awakened have combo-boosting skills. If that's not enough then I'll just switch to Herc and start buying her axes with the regalia I've saved up. I can buy two Dark soul weapons right now.
I do have the union Dark axe. One copy is broken to three stars, and I have two extra copies as well. I've also got this Dark hammer from union battles too, but only at two stars. Will there be another one where I can get more? And while I'm at it, will there be more events where I can get the Light union Staff? I have only one copy of that.

Dark usually runs better with Herc; you can always take Provisional Forest with them. You need a team loadout for GO and for Catastrophe battles (Ultimate and Ragnorok). Right now the AQ quests aren't usually hard enough that they have to be much different than the Catastrophe load outs (but that would be a potential third). So that works out to 2 load outs for standard run strong teams.

Since my best elements are Dark, Light, and Water. I have 2 Dark teams (AQ and all Cats, and GO), 1 Light team (always Shingen always Encourage Inspiration), and 1 Water team for Fire Cats. The other elements aren't really strong enough even with elemental advantage to keep anything other than a standard 'best of' team. Nearly everything defaults to the Dark standard team (not GO) other than when I'm running the Light team. The Light team with Shingen and Encourage are also used for GO, where the tactic is just to burst often and always. When I can actually figure out a stronger load out for them, I might work to having dedicated teams for them, but not yet.


Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

Dark usually runs better with Herc; you can always take Provisional Forest with them. You need a team loadout for GO and for Catastrophe battles (Ultimate and Ragnorok). Right now the AQ quests aren't usually hard enough that they have to be much different than the Catastrophe load outs (but that would be a potential third). So that works out to 2 load outs for standard run strong teams.

Since my best elements are Dark, Light, and Water. I have 2 Dark teams (AQ and all Cats, and GO), 1 Light team (always Shingen always Encourage Inspiration), and 1 Water team for Fire Cats. The other elements aren't really strong enough even with elemental advantage to keep anything other than a standard 'best of' team. Nearly everything defaults to the Dark standard team (not GO) other than when I'm running the Light team. The Light team with Shingen and Encourage are also used for GO, where the tactic is just to burst often and always. When I can actually figure out a stronger load out for them, I might work to having dedicated teams for them, but not yet.


Dejnov.

Under what circumstances do I want to take Provisional Forest? Without Trial by Jury my Darks only have -20% for Atk Down, and my Fires would have 0%. I was under the impression that it was best to try and get Atk and Def debuffs as deep as you could before anything else. Which is also why my Lights have Ambush instead of Encourage Inspiration.

And do I really need a separate Dark team for Guild Orders when my Lights are doing okay at it? I mean it wouldn't hurt, but at the moment my dark weapons are very underskilled since I've been focusing on Lights since they're my main and Fire for the upcoming Tower.

Right now I've got one team of every element plus a second Light team, a leveling team for doing experience quests (just whatever needs to grow), and a team for daily gem quests featuring Mithra. The other slots are more or less open. My Lights are my best, Darks are probably second-best, and then I don't know between Fire or Water for my third-best. My Wind team is hopeless, and my Lightnings would take a lot of investment, but my Fires and Waters probably only need one or two Miracle Tickets each to turn into something nice.

Originally Posted by Argo

Under what circumstances do I want to take Provisional Forest? Without Trial by Jury my Darks only have -20% for Atk Down, and my Fires would have 0%. I was under the impression that it was best to try and get Atk and Def debuffs as deep as you could before anything else. Which is also why my Lights have Ambush instead of Encourage Inspiration.

And do I really need a separate Dark team for Guild Orders when my Lights are doing okay at it? I mean it wouldn't hurt, but at the moment my dark weapons are very underskilled since I've been focusing on Lights since they're my main and Fire for the upcoming Tower.

Right now I've got one team of every element plus a second Light team, a leveling team for doing experience quests (just whatever needs to grow), and a team for daily gem quests featuring Mithra. The other slots are more or less open. My Lights are my best, Darks are probably second-best, and then I don't know between Fire or Water for my third-best. My Wind team is hopeless, and my Lightnings would take a lot of investment, but my Fires and Waters probably only need one or two Miracle Tickets each to turn into something nice.

I would take Provisional Forest with Herc on the Dark team when you have Satan Awakened and the MLBed Herc axe. That will get you -50% Def down and now you can buff overall damage. It is better to get the ATK and DEF debuffs first over Provisional Forest. The only time it works better is for Light where you can take both Provisional Forest and also Sniper Shot (Shingen soul with EX Sniper Shot).

If your Light is your main, you want to work on thinking if you can do more than one load out for Light. But it all really depends on how deep your Hime bench is with Light. If you have just 4 SSRs, you probably only have one good load out for Light. It won't mean having multiple teams until you get 5 or 6 SSRs that can switch in depending upon the job. Example: For my Dark team I have both Satan Awakened and Samael. Both give -25% DEF down, but Samael does it all (for 120 sec), while Satan has it for longer (180 sec) and a Black Propagnda skill. I switch them depending on whether it's a single fight (Satan) or groups (Samael).


Dark is a great second choice for Light... it helps when you have to do Light Catastrophes and Accessory Quests.


Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

So I would never normally recommend this, as it's not the best use of Ori, BUT the Orichalcon shop has a Dark Axe that is Defender++/Assault+ at 1920 Assault. Not the best, but it's an Axe AND it has two skills Assault and Defender... And you can build a full Axe Grid for Dark...

There's no way an Axe Grid is worth Ori. Aim for Hammer/Glaive/Lance/Bow Grids.

For Veterans who have all the Envy Axes, an Axe Grid is alright. You don't really gain or lose actual damage because what you gain in base Atk you lose in Assault. All you get is basically get a free Elaborate(++) and Exceed(++), which... honestly, isn't much. Still, why not if you already have all the ingredients. But please, don't spend Ori for a Grid like that.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

I would take Provisional Forest with Herc on the Dark team when you have Satan Awakened and the MLBed Herc axe. That will get you -50% Def down and now you can buff overall damage. It is better to get the ATK and DEF debuffs first over Provisional Forest. The only time it works better is for Light where you can take both Provisional Forest and also Sniper Shot (Shingen soul with EX Sniper Shot).

If your Light is your main, you want to work on thinking if you can do more than one load out for Light. But it all really depends on how deep your Hime bench is with Light. If you have just 4 SSRs, you probably only have one good load out for Light. It won't mean having multiple teams until you get 5 or 6 SSRs that can switch in depending upon the job. Example: For my Dark team I have both Satan Awakened and Samael. Both give -25% DEF down, but Samael does it all (for 120 sec), while Satan has it for longer (180 sec) and a Black Propagnda skill. I switch them depending on whether it's a single fight (Satan) or groups (Samael).


Dark is a great second choice for Light... it helps when you have to do Light Catastrophes and Accessory Quests.


Dejnov.

Between Satan Awakened and Dark Amaterasu I already have -45% def down. If that last 5% can be overlooked, I could take Shingen as my Soul directly for Provisional Forest, then use either Trial by Jury to hit -40% Atk down or Encourage Inspiration for faster bursts. Would that work better than Herc, or do I need that last 5%?
And if I have Amaterasu's Black Propaganda-like skill and Satan's Darkness Lost to control overdrives, are they fine without TbJ or is getting that -40% Atk more important than Provisional Forest for Herc or Encourage Inspiration for Shingen?

My Light SSR himes include:
Sol Awakened, Michael Awakened, Tishtrya, Light Tsukuyomi, Eros, Frey, Atum, and Santa Satan. The first six are my team. Since Sniper Shot overlaps with Tish's debuffs I use Ambush instead.

My Dark SSRs include:
Satan Awakened, Dark Amaterasu, Chernobog, Osiris, Samael, Kali, and Thanatos. Again, the first six are my team. Sadly, no Hades or Pluto.

Originally Posted by Argo

Between Satan Awakened and Dark Amaterasu I already have -45% def down. If that last 5% can be overlooked, I could take Shingen as my Soul directly for Provisional Forest, then use either Trial by Jury to hit -40% Atk down or Encourage Inspiration for faster bursts. Would that work better than Herc, or do I need that last 5%?

And if I have Amaterasu's Black Propaganda-like skill and Satan's Darkness Lost to control overdrives, are they fine without TbJ or is getting that -40% Atk more important than Provisional Forest for Herc or Encourage Inspiration for Shingen?

-45% Def down is fine. I'd definitely use either Herc with the Axe or Shingen with Encourage Inspiration. With both Osiris and the Inspiration, the Dark team is actually decently fast. Atk down isn't nearly as needed as Def down. After you get Provisional Forest, the whole goal is to kill fast. If you reduce the rounds dramatically in a combat and burst hard, that's the same as ATK down.

Originally Posted by Argo

My Light SSR himes include:
Sol Awakened, Michael Awakened, Tishtrya, Light Tsukuyomi, Eros, Frey, Atum, and Santa Satan. The first six are my team. Since Sniper Shot overlaps with Tish's debuffs I use Ambush instead.

My Dark SSRs include:
Satan Awakened, Dark Amaterasu, Chernobog, Osiris, Samael, Kali, and Thanatos. Again, the first six are my team. Sadly, no Hades or Pluto.

You'll probably want to stick with Ambush on the Light Team as -30% DEF down is fairly light. OTOH I'm currently running a Light team similar to yours with Artemis instead of Tsuku and I only have -35% DEF down. Using Encourage Inspiration to just hit faster seems to be working out fine for me (but I actually can't use Ambush since Artemis has an A-frame DEF down).


The Dark team is also fairly close to my Dark team, but Dark Amaterasu is a great addition. You can definitely try Shingen with that team as you have no use for Sniper Shot. I'd swap Samael in for Satan Awakened for GO actions, but that is a solid team. I also fully skill leveled Chernobog and Osiris' weapons. They are Assault/Defender. Even at level 50 you're getting more stats than any level 85 SR in your grid. Even Samael's Hammer, Dark Amaterasu's Mirror and Thanatos' Necro Joker are damn nice. If you skill raise all of those, you'll come close to a fairly strong grid (probably a lot stronger than your Light grid) and you can run that team as confidently as the Light one. Having 10 assault and 8+ defender skills at full level works wonders - even if the base hit points and assault are not there due to only having the weapons at level 50. It's something Light grids can't as easily do (as Tish's weapon currently sucks and a lot of the other ones are not Assault/Defender combos).


Dejnov.


P.S. I should also mention that Frey's, Eros', and Atum's weapons are also Assault/Defender. Raise those and stick them in your grid over any SR and even single skill SSRs or one's that don't have both Assault and Defender. The percent bonus will overcome the 75 levels of base assault you're missing.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

-45% Def down is fine. I'd definitely use either Herc with the Axe or Shingen with Encourage Inspiration. With both Osiris and the Inspiration, the Dark team is actually decently fast. Atk down isn't nearly as needed as Def down. After you get Provisional Forest, the whole goal is to kill fast. If you reduce the rounds dramatically in a combat and burst hard, that's the same as ATK down.

Okay, I'll try the team without TbJ for now then. But if both Herc with PF or Shingen with EI work, then I don't know whose Soul Weapon to buy ;__;

You'll probably want to stick with Ambush on the Light Team as -30% DEF down is fairly light. OTOH I'm currently running a Light team similar to yours with Artemis instead of Tsuku and I only have -35% DEF down. Using Encourage Inspiration to just hit faster seems to be working out fine for me (but I actually can't use Ambush since Artemis has an A-frame DEF down).

Is Artemis worth using my next M.Ticket for? My current team is fast and hits -50% Def down, so I don't think she's necessary, right? I'd rather use the next one on either my Darks, Fires, or Waters.

The Dark team is also fairly close to my Dark team, but Dark Amaterasu is a great addition. You can definitely try Shingen with that team as you have no use for Sniper Shot. I'd swap Samael in for Satan Awakened for GO actions, but that is a solid team. I also fully skill leveled Chernobog and Osiris' weapons. They are Assault/Defender. Even at level 50 you're getting more stats than any level 85 SR in your grid. Even Samael's Hammer, Dark Amaterasu's Mirror and Thanatos' Necro Joker are damn nice. If you skill raise all of those, you'll come close to a fairly strong grid (probably a lot stronger than your Light grid) and you can run that team as confidently as the Light one. Having 10 assault and 8+ defender skills at full level works wonders - even if the base hit points and assault are not there due to only having the weapons at level 50. It's something Light grids can't as easily do (as Tish's weapon currently sucks and a lot of the other ones are not Assault/Defender combos).


Dejnov.


P.S. I should also mention that Frey's, Eros', and Atum's weapons are also Assault/Defender. Raise those and stick them in your grid over any SR and even single skill SSRs or one's that don't have both Assault and Defender. The percent bonus will overcome the 75 levels of base assault you're missing.

Wow, really? I've been ignoring most of my non-broken SSRs. If they have at least one break like my Satan's and Samael's weapons I've worked on them a little bit, but I thought base power was more important. I definitely have room for more SSRs in my dark grid if they're better than my SRs.
Oh, and like I mentioned earlier the Dark UE Axe in my grid is 3-star, and I have two more copies. Should I put the others to 1-star and raise it up too? Will there be events I can get more copies?

Attached are my Dark and Light grids. There's plenty of SRs I could drop for the weapons of Amaterasu, Thanatos, Kali, Chernobog, and/or Osiris. It'll take a while to level up their skills, though. Do you think I should switch focus to those, or keep working on leveling my Fire weapons for the Tower?

And there isn't much room on my Light Grid. The SR lance is giving Shingen a preferred weapon boost - is that still worth swapping out for Atum and Frey's weapons? I just got those two SRs to skill level 17 and 18, too...at what skill level on the SSRs would I want to swap them in over the SRs?

Just don’t care about anything and go full light. I don’t get why you have phoenix bow but no UE weapon at all. Your MT should be Lugh next and Iris later. Use all your brick for Mike and Tish and Lugh lance so you can run null lance.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Just don’t care about anything and go full light. I don’t get why you have phoenix bow but no UE weapon at all. Your MT should be Lugh next and Iris later. Use all your brick for Mike and Tish and Lugh lance so you can run null lance.

I can't FLB that Phoenix Bow though since I don't have event materials. Didn't know they were necessary until after it ended and I'd spent everything.

It was only my brother and I working in our Union, so the vast majority of my union weapons are poor. I have only a single copy each of Proud Axe Lumina Banish and Light Staff of Guilty Pride. Will there be more events where I could get more copies now that we've joined a larger union?

I don't have any Phantom weapons, so I'd rather not make plans around them. My luck is notoriously bad. I was planning to use my Tower earnings to get bricks for Michael's lance, though. Wasn't sure what to do after that, if I should work on Tish's or a different element's weapons.