Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Slashley

If memory serves, Sanahtlig calculated Yamata-no-Orochi at 0-stars is about +-0 net gain in specific circumstances. Seeing as 0-star Yamata-no-Orochi is slightly higher in base atk at 0-stars already, I don't see Vine being any better.

If I said Yamata-no-Orochi is a damage loss or break-even I was mistaken. Increasing DEF down from -40% to -50% is a massive damage increase that offsets any base stat factors. You could run an eidolon with 0 base stats and still get a sizeable damage increase. In this case, running a LV75 Vine instead of an eidolon like LV100 Yatagarasu would yield a 16% damage increase (+20% due to DEF decrease, -3% due to loss in base stats). That's assuming the debuff sticks and it lasts 180s. If it has a terrible accuracy rate that would obviously make it much less useful. I don't see any mention of this on the JP wiki page however, just people cheering.

I wasn't aware that an eidolon would be made available to all that gives an extra -10% DEF. This is pretty huge. Preliminarily I'd say everyone should farm it , if only to use for those Advent challenges. I'm less keen on using it in teams that can already reach -50% DEF, due to the stat loss, but if you want some insurance against other DEF debuffs missing, it could be worthwhile I suppose.