Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Aidoru

1. Replace the SR defender weapon you are using, there's little reason to bother with using a SR defender weapon when you have 2 SSR dual weapons and the SR defender weapon is only sLv1. The effects of that weapon aren't even be noticeable.

3. You'd be better off using R Zephyrs in your wind party than either of those 2 off element SSRs. There's also no reason to use Cybele with D'art since D'art has a stronger b-frame debuff, so you should have replaced her regardless of if 'did similar damage to Itaqua". If anything, you should use Hastur, Cybele, Zephrys, Ithaqua and Joan with Black Propaganda (or Mordred with Trial by Jury.

I was using Zephyrs before i've got Osiris and she is not better than her in no way. Zephyrs heals 500/5t=100hp/t and does a-type attack debuff. Osiris heals 1100/5t=220hp/t with additional +15 burst gauge (it's 1-2 turns faster burst) and has damaging skill with dizzness. Yes, Zephyrs does a little bit more damage because she is wind (but burst is still weaker then Osiris's), but in general she is not a replacement to Osiris at all.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I was using Zephyrs before i've got Osiris and she is not better than her in no way. Zephyrs heals 500/5t=100hp/t and does a-type attack debuff. Osiris heals 1100/5t=220hp/t with additional +15 burst gauge (it's 1-2 turns faster burst) and has damaging skill with dizzness. Yes, Zephyrs does a little bit more damage because she is wind (but burst is still weaker then Osiris's), but in general she is not a replacement to Osiris at all.

Err you're mistaken? Zephyrus does C frame, which was why she was considered to be the R hime meta for quite a lot of free players. The heal loss is painful, but you can pull Andromeda to sub in more healing should you find it insufficient. Now, stack the atk debuff and heal and you'll find yourself actually surviving about as long as if you used Osiris, or maybe even not needing to survive long, provided you've optimally levelled up your weapon skills.

In that regard you'd also benefit from the weapon skills, which serve as a multiplier, not an addition to your stats... which brings me to my answer to your answer to my recommendation (lol convoluted phrasing but whatevs)...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Thunder sword is almost 1.9k attack, l85 disaster bow is only 1,6k, defender gun is 900+ so gun is much weaker then off-element ssr.

Actualy when i started, i knew nothing about the rerolls. My statrting hand was Hastur, Behemoth and Chronos and i was thinking that it was good. But later in about 10 x10 jewel gachas i found only Itaqua and Osiris and it was terrible. I did about 100 rerols, but results were not good at all - no Sol, no Amaterasu, only 1 account with Gaja withount any support( 2 off-element rares). Well, Amaterasu makes my main account not so bad anyway, but i don't know how to use her yet- i have only some fire SR. And cash is not a method at all because they already closed Aigis and Mononofu, so i don't want to spend 50$ to nowhere.

As I mentioned, weapon skill is a multiplier, so the 300 difference is easily, EASILY overcome with a 13% addition to your atk multiplier at max skill. If that doesn't convince you enough, well just do the maths yourself.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

Err you're mistaken? Zephyrus does C frame, which was why she was considered to be the R hime meta for quite a lot of free players. The heal loss is painful, but you can pull Andromeda to sub in more healing should you find it insufficient. Now, stack the atk debuff and heal and you'll find yourself actually surviving about as long as if you used Osiris, or maybe even not needing to survive long, provided you've optimally levelled up your weapon skills.

In that regard you'd also benefit from the weapon skills, which serve as a multiplier, not an addition to your stats... which brings me to my answer to your answer to my recommendation (lol convoluted phrasing but whatevs)...

As I mentioned, weapon skill is a multiplier, so the 300 difference is easily, EASILY overcome with a 13% addition to your atk multiplier at max skill. If that doesn't convince you enough, well just do the maths yourself.

But Chronos has c-type debuff too as i understand it (it is stackable with b-type Cybele/D'arty's debuff and a-type Hastur's buff) so i don' need Zephyr's debuff. In addition Osiris can make enemy skip a turn, a usefull ability not very high proc chance, but still better then nothing. Yes, Zephyrus will have a benifit from weapon skills so she will have little more damage (Osiris has greater base damage/hp as partial compensation), but damage of one R hime (that will be much less then for example Chronos's) is compensated with faster burst for all party, so total number of turns to kill boss will be not greater, maybe even less(especialy if i can burst twice) and greater surviability. Spending 500 soul points to Andromeda instead of Cassy is bad idea for me - her res skill is not needed at all, i'll better pick Jean as replacement of Gaja when i should get this SP.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

But Chronos has c-type debuff too as i understand it (it is stackable with b-type Cybele/D'arty's debuff and a-type Hastur's buff) so i don' need Zephyr's debuff.--

Where are you getting these frame info from? Chronos should be B type, so not stackable Cybele or Sniper Shot.

I'd recommend either Aken's spreadsheet or The encyclopedia in Sanahtlig's toolbox for checking debuff frames.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

3)And another question: my current parties are 1)Mordred, Hastur, Chronos, SR Cybele, Osiris 2)D'arty, Hastur, Chronos, Itaqua, Osiris (no more ssr, no more wind sr, many rares). I found, that Itaqua deals almost the same damage as SR Cybele so i'm using her when i don't need b-type debuff. Yesterday i've got Amaterasu from the premium ticket. Is it a good idea to replace someone (maybe Osiris) with her in this parties?

>>Suggested team for now? Just replace Cybele with any wind SR/SSR KH if you find one~ For now, use sub-slot for raising KH~
Main: Mordred w/ SS + Hastur + SR Cybele + Ithaqua + Caspiel
Sub: Osiris + Zephyrus/Boreas/any KH

Kinda ideal (?) weapon grid for wind F2P... Just go focus on a single elemental team for now (and rush it)

Originally Posted by Maria

>>Suggested team for now? Just replace Cybele with any wind SR/SSR KH if you find one~ For now, use sub-slot for raising KH~
Main: Mordred w/ SS + Hastur + SR Cybele + Ithaqua + Caspiel
Sub: Osiris + Zephyrus/Boreas/any KH

Kinda ideal (?) weapon grid for wind F2P... Just go focus on a single elemental team for now (and rush it)

Now that's a healthy looking Wind grid, I'm kinda jealous.

As a practice is the only criteria of truth, i made party of Mordred (SS), Hastur, Chronos, Zephyrus, Osiris and tried to check how all this things are working. I used water disaster raids as test subjects to prevent elemental advantage factor. Osiris and Zephyrus are both BL3.
Damage was for example Zephyrus 6.5-6.8k Osiris 5-5.4k
Burst - 16+k Zephyrus 24k Osiris
This means that with my weapons/eidolons damage difference is insignificant. Sure, with 100+% assault and Hraesvelgr the difference will be much more, so there should be no sence to use off-element himes somedays.
And i was wrong, Cronos debuff was realy b-type, this means i had second debuff from other source. This makes her less usefull, but she still deals nice damage. I will try setup with Zephyrus instead of Osiris for several days, maybe it will be batter. Caspiel is an option too, but she's only lvl20 so i will up her in reserve and use instead of Chronos to have 50% attack debuff.

Don't need Hraesvelgr to make on-element crush off-element in damage. How familiar are you with the damage formulae?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

As a practice is the only criteria of truth, i made party of Mordred (SS), Hastur, Chronos, Zephyrus, Osiris and tried to check how all this things are working. I used water disaster raids as test subjects to prevent elemental advantage factor. Osiris and Zephyrus are both BL3.
Damage was for example Zephyrus 6.5-6.8k Osiris 5-5.4k
Burst - 16+k Zephyrus 24k Osiris
This means that with my weapons/eidolons damage difference is insignificant. Sure, with 100+% assault and Hraesvelgr the difference will be much more, so there should be no sence to use off-element himes somedays.

Your weapon damage isn't insignificant. The stronger your weapons, the stronger effect your assault will increase your overall damage for the specific element.

Practice isn't the only method, doing the math works just fine. But if you want another practical example. Used my wind team with 2 Icarus on a water disaster with SSR Satan and no debuffs. My Satan hits 4k and Zeph hit 10k.

Your burst damage doesn't really mean much when the amount of damage you'd do with regular attacks would already make up for the amount of turns needed to even burst in the first place.

Getting 10 SR weapons to sLv10 (80% assault) and using 2 Icarus will more than triple your base damage on neutral enemies and quadruple it on elemental weakness. This is plenty achievable by anyone.

The only time I would ever suggest using Osiris in a off element party is if you truly need the heals, which you most likely won't if you're running with Joan (regen), Ithaqua (decent party heal) and Zephyrus (weak party heal). Even then that might be too much heals.

Did this game just become a WHOLE lot better this week?

Note: I am a casual but passionate player. I never rerolled and if I read all the comments then I don't feel to be missing out on anything. There's also something to be said for making due with what you have and trying to make the best of it: getting the best out of what you have right now. I maintain 6 teams, one for each elements, and so far it's holding out quite good. Some teams are more powerful than others, but in the end my kamihime's get the job done.

Back to my vent...

My god they changed the gem gacha and I honestly think Kamihime became legendary. I spend 1k gems and I got 2 half potions. This allowed me to play another full cycle and during that I earned 1k gems again. Enough for another gacha. Theoretically this means that with the right luck (unlikely) I could play forever

I don't like them hiding the gems like they did though. It almost seems as if gems don't mean anything which I think is a big mistake. Not to mention that those coins get reset after 3 months. Not too appealing if you ask me. But other than that... I'm having some serious fun here.