Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Sora

Ah... You just didn't understand how sleep works.
In a nutshell:
Hypnos sleep offers 20% def down.
However it's a sleep-skill. The thing is, if you attack the Boss/Monster either with a Skill or normal Attack, there is a high chance that the Boss/Monster will wake up from his slumber.
That also means you lose those def down and there is no procc chance that the Boss/Monster will go to sleep again.

Useless skill ever...

Originally Posted by Ikki

You dont go shingen because of provisional forest only, you go shingen cause free EX slot and shes 1 of the 4 souls that can make PF work reliably (the others being herc with weapon, arthur cause miracle and morgan (?)) on water, other souls cant get the 50 bg back without rng unless you stack ashy and saras in the same team and give your soul 45 bg but thats not happening cause that means no def cap, so dont even consider it, a burst build has nothing to do with your soul not being able to get 50 bg in 2 turns.

He doesn't have Asherah nor Sarasvati so neither of them were really a factor to begin with but if he did, my post would have been different. The point was not that he shouldn't go Shingen, but that he didn't need to go Hercules with his current team, since he already met the def cap. I said he could save for Shingen or just use any other soul he wanted and added on that the other souls still have plenty of uses as his current water team wasn't oriented for a burst build. Like you said yourself in the last line.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Useless skill ever...

Even more so because dark himes have various def downs already. It's not like you can even stop your himes from attacking when you're fighting a single enemy, so the enemy will likely wakes up regardless making the sleep effect often useless. Hades also has this and it's a rather disappointing addition to her skill.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

He doesn't have Asherah nor Sarasvati so neither of them were really a factor to begin with but if he did, my post would have been different. The point was not that he shouldn't go Shingen, but that he didn't need to go Hercules with his current team, since he already met the def cap. I said he could save for Shingen or just use any other soul he wanted and added on that the other souls still have plenty of uses as his current water team wasn't oriented for a burst build. Like you said yourself in the last line.

Ah yeah fair enough, i wasnt really clear on my quote, i was referring mainly to this "Going Shingen isn't going to make a major difference than just using any other soul with Provisional Forest as an ex skill" PF on other souls shouldnt be considered outside of the 4 i mentioned cause its just really bad, thats all.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Useless skill ever...

Well it depends on how you look at it. Quite useless for bosses for sure, but for mobs... if it hits, its quite useful actually, especially in R3/R4 since the mobs there have high HP

but obviously it won't hit all the time, and since Hades has it as an AoE attack, hers is more better than Hypnos since I believe that one is just single target

Originally Posted by BlazeAlter

Well it depends on how you look at it. Quite useless for bosses for sure, but for mobs... if it hits, its quite useful actually, especially in R3/R4 since the mobs there have high HP

but obviously it won't hit all the time, and since Hades has it as an AoE attack, hers is more better than Hypnos since I believe that one is just single target

well, that's if you aren't cooldown maintaining your way through the AQ stuff... and eventually later content like guild order (mobs easily have 1mil+ hp there).

debuffs that come back before the next enemy wave is still better since mobs with high HP naturally will eat up a chunk of turns


it's nice if you can get some milage out of it, but i gotta agree that hypnos barely gives much with that skill, if at all

A week or three ago, I bought the Guaranteed SSR Eidolon 10 roll Gacha and was rewarded with Fafnir. That was cool, as up until then, I only had Amaterasu. Sunday night, I bought the new one that was on sale and was rewarded with Ifrit. I'm now curious about which one should be my primary for my Fire team? Ifrit is ever so slightly stronger overall with the better Eidolon effect, while Fafnir has the better summon effect and is more flexible as she can boost water teams as well.

Also, in general, should the Eidolon roster for each team be loaded with same element Eidolons, one of each element, or whatever's strongest so long as your primary is same element?


(Side note: Also bought the new Guarunteed SSR Kamihime 10 roll and was rewarded with my second Code of Hammurabi, my second Guilty Dragoon, along with Acala, Thanatos, and Aten...I wasn't aware it was possible to pull 3 SSRs at once.)

Originally Posted by Quarters

A week or three ago, I bought the Guaranteed SSR Eidolon 10 roll Gacha and was rewarded with Fafnir. That was cool, as up until then, I only had Amaterasu. Sunday night, I bought the new one that was on sale and was rewarded with Ifrit. I'm now curious about which one should be my primary for my Fire team? Ifrit is ever so slightly stronger overall with the better Eidolon effect, while Fafnir has the better summon effect and is more flexible as she can boost water teams as well.

Also, in general, should the Eidolon roster for each team be loaded with same element Eidolons, one of each element, or whatever's strongest so long as your primary is same element?


(Side note: Also bought the new Guarunteed SSR Kamihime 10 roll and was rewarded with my second Code of Hammurabi, my second Guilty Dragoon, along with Acala, Thanatos, and Aten...I wasn't aware it was possible to pull 3 SSRs at once.)

uh, I'm no fire expert but we just got Adramelech fire eido, which is 45% elem atk, while ifrit is just 50% character atk and Fafnir is 40% elem atk (assuming your Fafnir and Ifrit is at LB0), so why not use Adramelech instead? She'd also have more stats than an LB0 gacha eido (at least until u get ur Fafnir to LB2 or MLB, which would become 50% at LB2 (60% max) and be better than Adramelech)

and just to give my opinion on it, i think people either put eidos with the highest stats or most useful skills in their sub eido roster (most commonly high stats, but theres also high stat eidos with useful effects)
same element is also good since they give u bonus stats (i forgot how much) but obviously it might take awhile to get a complete fire sub eido roster if you wanna go for that

Originally Posted by Quarters

A week or three ago, I bought the Guaranteed SSR Eidolon 10 roll Gacha and was rewarded with Fafnir. That was cool, as up until then, I only had Amaterasu. Sunday night, I bought the new one that was on sale and was rewarded with Ifrit. I'm now curious about which one should be my primary for my Fire team? Ifrit is ever so slightly stronger overall with the better Eidolon effect, while Fafnir has the better summon effect and is more flexible as she can boost water teams as well.--

Neither. Gacha SSR Eidolons are a scam. Only Kaisers (NOT as main) and P2W 100% Eidolons are used. Others can become usable at 2-stars, but how likely is it that you'll get any of them to 2-stars even if you bought every single SSR Eidolon guaranteed gacha for the next year or two?

I'm sorry that you got scammed out of your money.

That said, if you didn't grab Adramelech from the raid just now, then Character attack Ifrit is better when you're a new player (Grid below... 60% ish?) and Elemental attack Fafnir is better once you get your Grid going. Either way, Adramelech is far better until you get Fafnir to 2-stars. I doubt that Ifrit can contest until LMB, if even then.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Neither. Gacha SSR Eidolons are a scam. Only Kaisers (NOT as main) and P2W 100% Eidolons are used. Others can become usable at 2-stars, but how likely is it that you'll get any of them to 2-stars even if you bought every single SSR Eidolon guaranteed gacha for the next year or two?

I'm sorry that you got scammed out of your money.

That said, if you didn't grab Adramelech from the raid just now, then Character attack Ifrit is better when you're a new player (Grid below... 60% ish?) and Elemental attack Fafnir is better once you get your Grid going. Either way, Adramelech is far better until you get Fafnir to 2-stars. I doubt that Ifrit can contest until LMB, if even then.

Not everybody is lucky enough to get the 100% eidolons or the kaisers, so we make do with what we do get. I do have full broke Adramalech, but she's not leveled enough to do anything yet. I was under the impression that gacha eidolons were far stronger than event eidolons, hence why I was asking. as for lb2 eidolons...My Hecatonchires is lb2 (5th most powerful eidolon I have, beaten only by lv100 event eidos) and my brother's is lb1. Lucky duck actually broke his light kaiser yesterday...

Anyhoo, not scammed if I got good pulls. I see it like a booster box of yugioh, not every pack is great, but you get good stuff anyway.

Originally Posted by Quarters

Not everybody is lucky enough to get the 100% eidolons or the kaisers, --

... yes. That was the point. Gacha SSR Eidolons are only good for people who have spent some 10k+ bucks into this game, as a consolation prize for not getting a P2W Eidolon of that element.

Originally Posted by Quarters

I do have full broke Adramalech, but she's not leveled enough to do anything yet.

That's just a matter of a couple of days of Gem Gacha, so what's the big deal? LMB Adra will stomp all over both Ifrit and Fafnir at 0-stars.

Originally Posted by Quarters

I was under the impression that gacha eidolons were far stronger than event eidolons, hence why I was asking.

They are stronger, but again, only if you've spent 10k+ bucks on the game. And not "far stronger" unless you get a P2W Eidolon or a Kaiser.

Originally Posted by Quarters

as for lb2 eidolons...My Hecatonchires is lb2--

Hecaton is Character attack, so that's unfortunate. Still, it's the only Light HP one until x-mas, so it's not entirely useless (just almost useless). Be sure to run either Barong or Nicholas for Envy though, since the value of Character attack AND HP is hugely played down in Union events.

Originally Posted by Quarters

Anyhoo, not scammed if I got good pulls. I see it like a booster box of yugioh, not every pack is great, but you get good stuff anyway.

Sooooo... you paid 30-50 bucks, you got absolutely nothing of value (since event Eidolons are by far stronger at low Limit Breaks), and you were NOT scammed?

Alright. Sounds fair enough.