Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Slashley

When in doubt, go with Herc.

For Wind, some high-burst generation builds which include Titania and SSR Cybele and guaranteed triple-attackers can also run chain-gun burst builds and use Shingen. The same-ish builds are also good with Morgan due to their high/guaranteed combo rate. Your team doesn't seem like it can support either, so just stick with Herc if you ask me.The first of every month will reset that count back to 5 cost per 20, yes. I wouldn't recommend trading for the 15 cost ones, and for most players even then 10 cost ones are quite in-efficient (though I personally buy those as well).The encyclopedia in Sanahtlig's toolbox gives you a quick peek on all the upcoming new stuff. Just keep in mind there's no guarantee that Nutaku will stick to this schedule.

Ah did not know that had event info as well. Had the tab open but haven't looked through it much yet. I'll have to take a deeper dive into all that at some point. Thanks for the tips.

Hope it haven't been asked a hundred times before but: A question for Illuyanka users: How is she working out for you? Is it good enough to justify sub-optimal sub-eidolons? Is it much better than using say, Tiamat or Reiki? I don't need precise numbers just your rough opinion.

Originally Posted by Amak

Hope it haven't been asked a hundred times before but: A question for Illuyanka users: How is she working out for you? Is it good enough to justify sub-optimal sub-eidolons? Is it much better than using say, Tiamat or Reiki? I don't need precise numbers just your rough opinion.

Generally, not worth.

Conditional 50%, meaning most of the time you won't hit the quota, and even if you do it's only 5 extra % you get out of her, and being heavily limited on your sub eidolon choices. Reiki or Tiamat is blatantly better in almost all cases.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

Generally, not worth.

Conditional 50%, meaning most of the time you won't hit the quota, and even if you do it's only 5 extra % you get out of her, and being heavily limited on your sub eidolon choices. Reiki or Tiamat is blatantly better in almost all cases.

Don't forget Jack Frost, she's helping me with FRag cancer.

Originally Posted by Amak

Hope it haven't been asked a hundred times before but: A question for Illuyanka users: How is she working out for you? Is it good enough to justify sub-optimal sub-eidolons? Is it much better than using say, Tiamat or Reiki? I don't need precise numbers just your rough opinion.

I'd say yes she's worth using, if you have 5 MLB water eidos to put in your grid. 50% water ele↑ is the highest among event eidos currently anyway.
Then again, I also have 2 MLB Tiamats to stick in the sub grid, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Really just depends on your eido grids.

Now if you ever get a 50% or higher Fafnir for yourself, then you can pretty much forget about Illu at that point and just ride on your gacha luck with that Faffy.

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

I'd say yes she's worth using, if you have 5 MLB water eidos to put in your grid. 50% water ele↑ is the highest among event eidos currently anyway. --

While true, do remember that 5% isn't all that much these days. Since baseline is now 45% (your Eidolon) + 45% (friend Eidolon) + 45% (Elemental advantage) + 30% (Relic weapon) + 100% base, the difference is... a little less than 2% per Ilu. Since not many others are running Illu, the question is, does a full Water grid give a 2% base Atk output loss or not?

I haven't done the maths, but 2x LMB Tiamat is probably a requirement for that to work out for you. Overall, I doubt it's worth it - just run Reiki/Tiamat/Jack Frost depending on what you need.

Considering how most ppl that have worked on their grids, should likely be sitting at 120-130+% assault values (this just for f2p players) + the 100% base (though not sure why we even need to mention base) and considering how most of the common buffs in the game all add to assault values (including the UE atk buff), I'd say your so-called "math" is probably wonky as usual changing 5-10% to suddenly become 2%. I also see the most commonly run eidos being Tiamat or Jack among the general population, with Reiki and Illu being pretty rare, so a 10% difference is a 10% difference in the end.

Anyway I find it kinda funny when someone's who's argued in the past that it's better to just work on 1 grid for your best team since it's less work than 6 grids, now suddenly always mentions 45% ele adv as if they've only just realized the importance of that. As if they haven't advised others in the past to just use their best element for all content.

Yea, it's very dependent on what your options are. Not only what water eidolons you have, but what else do you have. If you already have a bunch of 2k atk eidolons, then you'll probably need to wait until you pick up... Monoceros, I guess? (that's next year)
Then your sub slots would probably look like Tiamat/Tiamat/Monoceros/Jack Frost/Jormungandr.
It'll also depend on what you've put your +1's on. Maybe your water eidolons are better than base due to those +1s, then the tipping point shifts over in one direction. Or maybe your non-water eidolons are better than base, then the answer shifts in the other direction.

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

Considering how most ppl that have worked on their grids, should likely be sitting at 120-130+% assault values (this just for f2p players)--

Assault doesn't matter here. Increasing Elemental by 5% (total) is going increase you damage output by 5%, regardless of your Assault and base Atk values. Of course, the higher those two are the higher that 5% actually IS, but the ratio stays the same.

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

+ the 100% base (though not sure why we even need to mention base) --

... because there's a difference between 5% more to 165 (8.25) and 265 (13.25). That's why it matters when you're calculating the difference between two values.

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

Anyway I find it kinda funny when someone's who's argued in the past that it's better to just work on 1 grid for your best team since it's less work than 6 grids,--

Uuh, I still recommend to FIRST focus on maxing one Grid, but I don't think I've ever said to ONLY max one Grid? That'd be sanathlig I'd think, who wanted to complete all events with minimum amount of effort required.


Anyway, if you want to compare without Elemental advantage... then let's go with Tiamat as well. So it's 40% (your Eidolon) + 40% (friend Eidolon) + 30% (Relic weapon) + 100% base = 210%. A 10% to that is ~5% increase, so at best, Ilu is 5% more damage (each). But do keep in mind that your burst generation will quite a bit lower that way, when compared to double Tiamats. So for a 40k base Atk player, that's about the same as 2k more base Atk. Chances are very high that you can run a full Water Eidolon grid and not lose 2k base attack, and thus it's a damage increase. And that's just with one Ilu, if you find another one from your Friend List then it'll absolutely be worth it (outside of Elemental advantage).

Still, considering how situational it is, I'd still say to not bother with it.

Triple Tiamat + Jorm + Aqua Kaiser eido grid hype