Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

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If your team doesn't keep up with Shingen's burst, what you essentially have is a soul that does super fast but weak bursts every few turns, which to be honest is a waste of a slot.--

The other upside of Shingen is access to EX slot, while still using PF.

Did we know his exact team?

Originally Posted by Slashley

The other upside of Shingen is access to EX slot, while still using PF.

Did we know his exact team?

I figured I would register instead of posting anonymously all the time haha. My team is Satan AW, Pluto, Osiris, and Hades AW with Amon Unleashed and Nephthys as sub slots (unless there are better SRs?)

Originally Posted by Slashley

The other upside of Shingen is access to EX slot, while still using PF.

Did we know his exact team?

I didn't before, went off with the assumption that those are the only 2 notable girls he has...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Ahh ok thank you for your insight! Part of me went with Shingen solely because all my other teams besides thunder are running Hercules and I just wanted to spice things up haha ^^;; so just to make sure before I make the change, you think a team of Satan AW, Pluto, Osiris, and Hades AW would be better off running Hercules axe?

But now we have the complete picture.

I did forget Pluto's combo+ in my argument though, so I'll have to factor that in now...

My breakdown of this goes 2 ways:

You could run Shingen sniper shot with the team, and achieve 45% def break and 40% atk break. The atk break can be capped with Yatagarasu no issue, def break you might want to ignore the last 5%. Pluto with decent lego stacks and Satan combo+ might make it easier for you to catch up with Shingen, but it's RNG. Dice or no dice, I need to sleep after this post so I can't do the maths for you. Still, do consider if you think the RNG is good enough for you to support the burst gen.

2nd option: Hercules PF, which nets you full def break and 20% atk break, hitting 30% with Yata. Everything else about my argument still stands here.

I... will stand with Hercules because in my book, RNG is no dice, plain and simple. I'm not mathing, but I do still anticipate the Hercules set up doing more damage than Shingen. In addition, I don't think you actually need the extra atk break from SS since your set up feels pretty tanky in nature already.

Have a look at other opinions before you make the decision however, them relic weapons don't come in easy to impulse buy.

Going to sleep now, as usual please invalidate me if necessary forum members, I'm digging all this shit straight outta my sleepy ass.

Is Tyr worth awakening? Thunder is my main element and the only other Hime I have that I can awaken are elements I'm not/can't build right now.

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Originally Posted by HugMeTender

Is Tyr worth awakening? Thunder is my main element and the only other Hime I have that I can awaken are elements I'm not/can't build right now.

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Not sure about her now, but they do change her from a stun nuker to using special attack later on...

Plus she has that A frame def down, which becomes 15% when awakened.

She's not a priority awakening, but not too bad either, especially when she gets buffed

Right now? Uhh.... not really given that Noel exists.
What does our Tyr get for awakening?
The standard increase in burst multiplier and double/triple attack rates that all awakenings give
Def debuff goes from 10% to 15% (Noel also handles this)
Self-only assault buff gets bigger
Finish Impact gets +35 burst gauge effect attached to it (situational, although I have gotten use out of it from time to time)

For the time being, the eyes are probably better off being reserved for someone else on the awakening list.

In the future (next February or March, around the time of the next anniversary), Tyr gets changes to her awakened form (not the base form) that actually help her a lot.
Her burst gains a side effect of a definite triple attack buff, I think?
Stun Shocker at lv 65 gains the side effect of inflicting 'lock on' status
The assault buff changes to element as well as a +30% increase to soft damage cap
Finish Impact at lv 45 changes from requiring the enemy to be stunned to instead require lock on status. Yes, Tyr is no longer crippled by being restricted to stunned enemies.
Do note the gap from lv 45 to lv 64 in which Finish Impact requires lock on but you can't actually apply it.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

Honestly, if you're ok with doing it, I'd rather you drop Shingen entirely and switch to Hercules. The big problem with having Shingen in any team is keeping up with her burst gen, since that's pretty much the only way you're going to get the most out of her. Problem? Only wind has the stuff to effortlessly keep up as of now. Of course, I'm not sure about the other elements in the long run, light might(...?) be able to pull off having Shingen in the team in the distant future.

If your team doesn't keep up with Shingen's burst, what you essentially have is a soul that does super fast but weak bursts every few turns, which to be honest is a waste of a slot.

The team doesn't need to keep up with Shingen to make use of her. She gets PF for free, allowing you to put something else in the EX slot (like debuff resistance down, overdrive extension, or Sniper Shot). That 40% extra Burst damage could be the difference between ending Rage before a lethal overdrive... or not.

While spike damage is almost always useful, more frequent Full Bursts are only situationally useful. In many fights you'll be holding your Burst for the next damage check. In a Guild Order you'll often want to Burst on Stage 3, Stage 5 start, and Stage 5 Rage. Fitting in extra Bursts elsewhere is actually pretty challenging and could mess up transitions, leaving you without debuffs or spike damage when they're needed. Not to mention the Provisional Forest cooldown itself can become a bottleneck.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Right now? Uhh.... not really given that Noel exists.
What does our Tyr get for awakening?
The standard increase in burst multiplier and double/triple attack rates that all awakenings give
Def debuff goes from 10% to 15% (Noel also handles this)
Self-only assault buff gets bigger
Finish Impact gets +35 burst gauge effect attached to it (situational, although I have gotten use out of it from time to time)

For the time being, the eyes are probably better off being reserved for someone else on the awakening list.

In the future (next February or March, around the time of the next anniversary), Tyr gets changes to her awakened form (not the base form) that actually help her a lot.
Her burst gains a side effect of a definite triple attack buff, I think?
Stun Shocker at lv 65 gains the side effect of inflicting 'lock on' status
The assault buff changes to element as well as a +30% increase to soft damage cap
Finish Impact at lv 45 changes from requiring the enemy to be stunned to instead require lock on status. Yes, Tyr is no longer crippled by being restricted to stunned enemies.
Do note the gap from lv 45 to lv 64 in which Finish Impact requires lock on but you can't actually apply it.

Where can I find said list of future awakenings? I might awaken her if I have no Hime that are on the list.

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Originally Posted by sanahtlig

In a Guild Order you'll often want to Burst on Stage 3, Stage 5 start, and Stage 5 Rage.

Lmao

10 chars.

Originally Posted by HugMeTender

Where can I find said list of future awakenings? I might awaken her if I have no Hime that are on the list.

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Gaia -> Tyr -> Thor -> Susanoo -> Svalog -> Titania -> Ares -> Sol -> Hades -> Ea -> Satan (we're here) ->
Uriel -> Odin -> Brahma -> Acala -> (skip 1 month*) -> Michael -> Poseidon -> Metatron -> Marduk -> Raphael ->
Cu Chulainn -> Shiva

*IIRC, there were problems around that time with preparing for the 2nd tower quest event, so they didn't have time/resources for an awakening that month? The real question is do we get that 1 month break for awakenings too or not