Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by evanfitch

Should I prioritize rare on element assault weapons or sr+ off element assault weapons?

Err?

Off-element skill levels do nothing for you. Only on element counts.
Don't bother with R weapons, since you can get vastly superior SR weapons from Disaster raids.

Originally Posted by Ikki

-- thor is honestly just a UE slave, --

Lies. When Thor AW lands her Paralyze, you just won that fight. The 5-6 free turns you get from that (in single player content) not only refreshes almost all your CDs, but also almost gives you a Full Burst even from zero.

What's that? You don't like gambling? But good sir, you're playing a gambling (gacha) game! I'm not saying that you should run Phantom Elemental Lord Thor in all of your Thunder teams, but I'm that you could!

Originally Posted by Dejnov

I have both Satan and Samael as options in my Dark Team. (The rest of the team is Chernobog, Hades, and Osiris.)

Samael's debuff is only 120s on a long CD. That makes her a complete pain in the ass to use. Hades - if Awakened - also brings the only other useful tool that Samael has, the Combo- skill. As such, I'd drop Samael like the bomb as soon as you have Satan Awakened.

Well, I guess there is the funny interaction of Samael's debuff resistance- and Osiris' Charm, but even with 6% Affliction and against Light, that Charm doesn't seem to reach 100% hitrate, sadly.

Originally Posted by BamBam

Does anyone use HP SSR wep in their grid?

Now that Assault/Defender weapons are a thing, ideally, no. If you have zero dual-skills with HP on them, using one is fine-ish. Since having no HP is suffering. But keep in mind that each pure-Defender is about 10%ish damage loss, which is no small deal.

Originally Posted by Dais

I see the rates are up on Thanatos, is she worth rolling for? That -20% def down seems worth, but not sure about the rest.

Rate Ups are a scam. Only waste your money on those if you have way more money than common sense.

Assuming that the 20x Rate is true, then coin-flip chance on Thanatos specifically is 1200 dollars. And remember, that's a COIN CLIP. You can lose a coin flip multiple times. Even at 3600 dollars, your chances are not 100%.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Lies. When Thor AW lands her Paralyze, you just won that fight. The 5-6 free turns you get from that (in single player content) not only refreshes almost all your CDs, but also almost gives you a Full Burst even from zero.

Yes, I also like relying on my debuffs against Wind Rag Disaster raid.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Rate Ups are a scam. Only waste your money on those if you have way more money than common sense.

If 20x rate is true, then it's not scam. Also jewels have same hime at rate up, so if somebody absolutely want some Kamihime included in this gacha, it's pretty good time to roll for her.

Originally Posted by Gludateton

Yes, I also like relying on my debuffs against Wind Rag Disaster raid.

You just need to trust the heart of the cards.

Originally Posted by Gludateton

If 20x rate is true, then it's not scam. Also jewels have same hime at rate up, so if somebody absolutely want some Kamihime included in this gacha, it's pretty good time to roll for her.

I don't know about you, but I don't consider 1200 dollars for a coinflip on a SSR Hime a good deal.

And for Jewels, it's 120k Jewels for a coinflip. ... well, it's true that you'll never really get a better chance for your Jewels. But don't expect much.

Originally Posted by Slashley

You just need to trust the heart of the cards.

I'd rather trust something that rarely fails me, but yeah debuffs against wind disaster make things go faster.

Originally Posted by Slashley

I don't know about you, but I don't consider 1200 dollars for a coinflip on a SSR Hime a good deal.

I don't consider putting any money in this game (or any gacha game in general) a good deal, that's why I am f2p. But that's beside the point. If you have a chance to play the game of "pay 10 dollars, roll 6 on dice and win 20 dollars" and you "trust the heart of the cards" and play it, then you were not scammed (or technically you were, by "heart of the cards").

Originally Posted by Gludateton

-- If you have a chance to play the game of "pay 10 dollars, roll 6 on dice and win 20 dollars" and you "trust the heart of the cards" and play it, then you were not scammed (or technically you were, by "heart of the cards").

And that's exactly what the whole scam thing was about. It's easy to calculate the odds of rolling a 6 on a dice. But most people on these forums have no idea of the actual odds on the Rate Up gacha.

That's fair point, nowhere it is explained how rate up does works.

The heart of the cards always scams me

Originally Posted by Dais

The heart of the cards always scams me

Welcome to a shitty hentai gacha game with shitty rates.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Assuming that the 20x Rate is true, then coin-flip chance on Thanatos specifically is 1200 dollars. And remember, that's a COIN CLIP. You can lose a coin flip multiple times. Even at 3600 dollars, your chances are not 100%.

Where are you getting $1200? My calculations yield $990 as an upper bound for a 20x rate. Only when I do the calculation with a 15x rate does the cost reach $1136.

There are 8 * 8 +3 = 67 SSR kamihime in the pool. There are two ways to interpret 20x; either the typical rate has been amplified to be 20x, or the hime is weighted to over 20x what she normally would be. The latter is obviously the less favorable interpretation. With the outdated assumption that himes and eidolons are weighted 1:1 (with the gacha rates thread suggesting otherwise), we obtain:

Amplified by 20x: (0.03/2) * 20/67
Weighted by 20x: (0.03/2) * 20/143

(1 - rate)^N = 0.5 --------> N = log(0.5) / log(1 - rate)

Amplified by 20x: N = 153.456 ---> $460.37
Weighted by 20x: N = 330.053 ---> $990.16

The cost lowers to $385.97 and $824.96 respectively if we weigh kamihimes to take 0.6 of the SSR pool instead of 0.5.

Originally Posted by Gludateton

So first Rush weapon skill test is done. Wanted to get 10,000 attack samples, but then I thought it's completely pointless, so stopped earlier. Things in spoiler.

Jesus christ the triple attack chance was all over the place.

Good work, looking forward to the rest.

Originally Posted by zarnyh

Hello, can someone tell me what is the best team to beat the Dark Ragnarok daily (Darkness Catastrophe)?

Please try to be detailed, if you have a good team for that boss, please write all the names of the Kamis.

I just ask for my Union to carry my ass during Burst Hour. It's a raid, you don't need to solo it.

Originally Posted by KTA

Where are you getting $1200?

I literally just slapped the current # of SSR Hime into Sanathlig's Gacha calc and looked for the point where the chance to find 1 out of 4 Rate Up Hime at 20x Rate Up was 50%.

But come to think of it, the 50/50 thing isn't accurate with current findings.
EDIT: Updating the chances of SSR Hime/Eidolons to 62,85%/37,15% drops the coinflip chance to 810 bucks.