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Alright, I'll have to retest that then. I've done today's AQ and GO, so it'll have to be tomorrow then. In GO, since my Dark team probably can't handle the Sat Wave2 fucklord. I've noticed that Pluto will NOT save me from that shitface. Neither would Raiko though, so eh.

Anyway, as far as I know though, there's no "separate brackets." Either your burst damage buff is under the 500% cap, or it isn't. And as far as I know, only Uriel and Metatron are the ones that don't fall under the 500% hard cap. Then there's a couple of special cases like Take who adds a specific number to burst, or the newer 200 burst meter Hime... ... I actually don't know do those Hime also have their bonus fall under the 500% cap or not...Do they? I mean... Cherno without Cherno mode would be fast, I guess, but... uh, not sure if worth it. Satan, Thanatos would be fast, and Satan easily deserves the team spot. Berith's burst meter can fly depending on RNG.

I don't really know how else to put it. You always get your blocks on turn1. After that, only if your burst is on turn 6 or turn 7 does Pluto's abilities work in her favor. But if you need to delay, you're probably going to need to delay abi1 as well. A blockless Pluto is worse than a generic SR most of the time, after all.Well, fair enough. Even though it only works ag

[The thing is, Pluto doesn't do all that much for her team. She gives a slight boost to the their burst damage, and that's it. She can once in a blue moon save them from some damage (or a lot of damage if Light). That's why cooldowns ARE important. They... make or break a Hime. And in this case, I find it closer to breaking than making.

How many times do i have to restate this a team player is not based on their CDs, the CDs make or break their usefulness i get it that'a what you are going for. But then there is the example of Metis which i have previously stated. Her CDs are absurdly but her kit defines her as a team player. Can you honestly tell me 60% damage cut, cleanse - affliction block for everyone but her and a taunt with dark rst is not meant for team play?
Yes i do have to admit Pluto's arent ideal for an amazing team player. However when you look at Dark as a whole what better options are there? The Hades rebalance doesnt come out for a long time and even then her light rst up doesnt suprasses pluto's

Pluto is more of a self-buffer than a team-buffer, really.I don't quite think that's how it works. You're basically saying is that 8 turns is the same thing as 6 turns. So you're ignoring the uptime of the 6 turn ability and including the uptime of the 8 turn ability.

Not exactly the same thing pal, you have it up for 2 turns and the timer for those 8 turns will also count for the 2 turns the buff is on, so your timer of not having the spell for usage will be 6 turns. Take michael AW's DA for example it has a 7 T CD but it lasts for a whopping 5 turns. How's that different from saying the shit basically is sitting on a 2 turn down time. This relates back to the point of CDs, Dakki has a 40% wind rst on a 7 turn cool down ( upgraded version) that's not very different from saying you wont have the rst up again for a total of 6 turns. Do not try to stick Gaia in here again, i have made my point clear about her type and her Awakening.

Technically, you can use Pluto's damage cut one turn early, and then it's like comparing a 7t CD to a 6t CD. That does mean that absolutely nothing can go wrong though. Maybe your Combo attacks didn't trigger as much as you liked, and Rage didn't trigger. Maybe Combo attacks went wild and you Stunned a boss instead. But even if you manage to overcome those kinds of things, it's a HUGE difference - 6t abilities are usually ready JUST when you need them - NOT one turn too early! This can of course depend on how many bubbles a boss has, but in general, one turn slower is deadly for damage cuts and makes all the difference.Oh? Do tell me, what CAN Pluto do against (true) Light Rag?You're not saying that 20% Assault and 30% Elemental is the same as 50% Berkserk, are you? Since if you are, I believe you aren't very aware of the damage formula. And let me say that this 20%+30%=50% is not in favor of Pluto at all.Good sir. Uriel's tokens are 200% each, and they stack to 10. AND they're outside of the 500% cap. Which means that, Uriel Awakened can reach a WHOPPING 3050% burst modifier. Which is why you see her doing 2m burst damage even with F2P player Grids. Since you only need to punch for ~67k to reach 2m with that modifier (plenty doable even against Water). Meanwhile, outside of Uriel good luck reaching even 1m as a F2P Grid (at the moment). It's certainly possible, particularly with Crits or Aether, but.

This part is just wrong on many levels
1. Assault and Elemental attack does not exist in the same bracket, therefore you cant just do the 20+30=50. It is a (X + 20%) multiplied by (Y +30%)which leads to the 2ns issue
2. Rampaging is a multiplier not the same category as those 2 mentioned above.
3.Rampaging locks burst and spells, you will hit a little bit harder for 2 turns but at the cost of your abilities and potential to burst
And finally against a true high rag use Pluto and a Joan friend and you just got yourself 90% damage cut. The attack buff i dont have to mention and her value as a bursting unit

So yes... those tokens have everything to do with the cap. First ability is outside the cap, second ability is inside the cap. Without the second ability, you'd see Uriel be at 2750% burst modifier with PF. Which uh, would be broken by itself already, but Uriel obviously goes above and beyond that kind of calling. So let's not even mention how much faster Uriel generates her tokens, or how much better they are for bursting, or how much better they are for her combo rate. Because Pluto doesn't even begin compare. Not many Hime do, so let's not go there, alright?
I wanna make this very clear to avoid future quarrels like this. This isnt meant to put Pluto on some pedestal, she is good i will stand by this however she is good because of how fucked Dark is in the future. Most himes does their own thing and doesnt help the team as a whole. Her idea of good exists within dark and dark alone based on what dark is, take dmm's valentine's day baal for example. She is a monster yes but yout put a monster amongst a bunch of gods and she is useless. She cant debuff and she cant beat iris's amazing burst potential, she cant replace lugh because then you lose out on that amazing nuke spam and speed, no one is gonna replace michael AW and final slot has to a healer so you can abuse lugh to her fullest extent. Take Baal make her Dark and she would be an instant whale target for dark mains