Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Slashley

If we look at the perfect ultra-whale teams, or the "only spend MTs on Light ever" teams that lag a bit behind, yeah, true. But as somebody pointed out, the perfect Light team has no place for monsters when it's full of gods.

However, as we're leaning more and more towards "play with elemental advantage," how much can we expect everyone to have the perfect team? When the game was new, we could expect that players would have one perfect or near-perfect team thanks to just one/two MTs giving you your element's hard carries. Nowadays, does that apply?

But since "just throw Light at it" meme is about to get very serious for the next year, do we start to expect that everyone is MTing for the perfect Light teams?

At the very least, I don't think that we can start assuming that everyone has the perfect team for every element. There are players like that, but focusing discussion purely on such a premise doesn't seem productive.

Alright, first of there is no such thing as an "Ultra-team" or "Perfect", against Fire UL or Light ULs i use my Light meta burst team since i can wipe them in about 2 minutes, against a Dark Guardian i bring Light Hermes - (Lugh if there are other Andromedas with me) or Light Tsukuyomi - Metis - Michael, against something like AQ7 i remove Light Tsukuyomi for someone like Tish or Atum. But you should be able to get the point
Secondly, you seem to have this idea that simply a full meta SSR team will get you into the whale tier .No one team can work against everything and no one team can cover everything. The whales you see on DMM are defined by the extent that they got their grid to mainly being phantom grids with hime-himeless weapons and their eido grid are a couple kaisers - guardians. Hell i can even testify as having 3 himes for the burst meta and i'm only doing mediocre (5-6M ish non PF FBs) damage because guess what? I only have the grid of a f2p

Most Light Hime has the concept of either being able to perform their own niche amazingly well or just simply multi tasking at a good level. Raphael - Lugh - Sol - Metatron - Kanako(I can't recall her actual jap name)- Light Athena all does their own thing supremely well, while others like Michae (with her AW)-Tish-Eros (with her recent AW) hell even Atum after her rebalance can multi task as a healer -support - damage ability teams

Oh and nice cherry picking out my arguement about Valentine's Baal. She has no place in the perfect meta burst team for dummies or shit that already has people filling her spot, not that she doesn't fit anywhere in the use of Light teams

Originally Posted by Slashley

I never said that everyone should be expected to have a Light Nike.Well, example my Light team is Sol, Shamash and Frey. What perfect mix and match Light team do I get?

Again, I don't think we should expect everyone to have a perfect team in every element, no matter how much you want to mix and match.And I don't see how Pluto literally makes Dark. She does her own thing and does alright in it. Many other Dark SSRs do the same.

Unless (true) Light Rag has seven bubbles, I simply don't know why having Pluto or not would make or break anything.

Have you forgotten the existence of SRs? You just strawmanned cobble's arguement and ignoring the rule of "Don't try to fit all SSRs in a single team if a SR could help you out even more". Light Rs- Light SRs are also worthy of frontlines. Sol - Shamash - Diana - Freyr or even SRs - Rs for that final slot depending on the content you are up against is enough for a team, mixing and matching requires you to have himes for it to work, you list out 3 himes disregarding other good himes of other rarities and you think that's a response to the concept of "Mixing and matching"?

Here is a possible decent team for you even with just the bare essentials right now Herc with sniper shot - Daphne - Aten - Kuvera - Caspiel
Future Rs
Herc - Daphne - Aten - Caspiel - Luchta (Cleanse)

Herc - Daphne - Aten - Caspiel - Circe (Instant Burst)

Herc - Daphne - Aten - Kuvera - Yagamihime (Aggro management + Regen)

Or with SRs (

Herc - Sati - Diana - Kuvera - Attar or Belobog

Herc - Sati - Belobog - Attar - Demeter

Future himes builds

Herc - Demeter (Diana) - Caspiel - Metis (for defense) - Light Hermes (amazing against enemies with alot of DATA or against Dark acts as an orb eater - Chaos Magic)

Herc - Demeter (Diana) - Attar - Forseti - Metis or Light hermes

With SSRs

Maximum dmg: SHG - Lugh - Iris - Tish - Mike / Meta - Kanako

AAB for GO/AQ7: HERC - Mike - Athena - Eros - Vishnu / SSArty - Iris

Raid Event: ART w/ Herc Axe - Meta - Mike - Iris - Eros / Kanako - SSArty

vs DCat: SHG - Lugh - Tish - Mike - Sol / Iris - Atum

vs Aratron: SHG - Lugh - Iris - Mike - Sol / Meta - Atum

vs Bethor: Herc - Iris - Athena - Sol - Eros / SSArty - Atum

OLD vs FCat: SHG - Kanako - Mike - Shamash - Sol / Meta - SSArty

SHG/BStrk - Meta (Ancient set) - Kanako (Brooch set) - Mike (Normal set) - Ithaqua (Off ele Sac. Pawn No.1) / Isis (Off ele Sac. Pawn No.2 + Buffer) - Freyr (Earring set) For Dummy version 2
(All of these lists belong to Bear)

Rs alone can already mix and match into a well rounded team, doesn't take a genius to realize they can't achieve the absolute state of meta combinations but it covers everything and that's the point of mixing and matching. The cherry on top? You have the option to switch out the himes i listed above with your 3 SSRs, Daphne - Aten - Belobog - Attar - Sati (Diana - Demeter) - Metis - Light Hermes depending on whatevere the fuck you are fighting and still make it work

Those teams can get you steam rolling GOs if you had bothered to make your grid above mediocre (I left nutaku awhile back but as far as i know there was a Phoenix reprint, Yule goat and a Light UE with FLBs which has Ascension so if you haven't SL em and make some fucking use of your Sol before complaining you can't have a well rounded team).

Originally Posted by Slashley

The point is, having "the perfect Light team" isn't that easy even if you can "mix and match pretty much whatever."You know, you can list literally any Hime's three skills and go "tell me another one that does exactly this, and by the way, only from this very element." No matter how serious you are, that question is obviously set up.

Can't believe we are back to fucking Pluto again. Whether what cobble said is a "set up" or not is irrelevant to me, what matters is that it is fact. Dark has what for damage cuts? Cerunnos, Pluto, Hades rebalance, Hypnos, Ereshkigal (already stated before you shouldn't even bother with this one). Hypnos isn't ideal for Light High rags since her multi hit isn't much to go by and her sleep will go to shit, Hades as i said outside of her debuff resistance that may stall you a turn and that little resistance is worthless, that leaves you with Cerunnos and Pluto as the most 2 potent damage cuts possible for Dark.

If you don't wanna change your definition of a team player because of old MMOs that's completely fine, people are entitled to their own opinions, i myself just simply define it as someone who helps the team. How you may ask? That goes a long way for many things in this game. You can consider debuff slaves like Ryu-oh, Hades, Samael, Light Tsukuyomi, Cthulu before her AW, Mammon and both SSRs and SR version of Amateratsu (The fire one if you really wanna the push it has the value of a pathetic regen and a decent def up) and even Hastur, you might say "Well she has a nuke and ATK buff" a measly 20% that can be applied by other himes or even other arthurs and a nuke about 600k as the cap only if you are hitting for 150k basics to reliably cap is not useful for end game fights. Their greatest limititation lies in the slave, their are good for nothing if they can't land their debuffs. Therefore, i prefer the types that gravitate the towards the buffing spectrum, i will even indulge you and say other cuts are superior like Gaia AW's, Water Osiris, Water Raphael, Athena, Raiko and the list goes on and these himes all have teamplay values within their own teams

The sub genre of "team players" also varies, against a Dark Guardian Light Hermes can be one hell of a team player with her ability to draw in most of the attacks, the orb eater - cleanse to deal with its myriad of buffs, against a Light High Rag you have Berith as a team player due to her defiance and her amazing taunt - berserk - intercept to cover your ass against the non raging 3 hit and those death beams, same goes for Minvera and Isis against a Thunder High rag, i could go on and on but you get the idea of how a "teamplayer" may vary in certain situations. A member here (itoshira) said it best, the tier, usefulness and their efficiency changes and varies depending on content, rarily or about no hime is good for everything

However, that does not alternate the fact that outside of Pluto and Cerunnos Dark has jack shit as far as actual team players goes for Dark, you can say that Osiris, Satan AW, Agaliarepth, Berith, Bastet (subline and basically a weapon), Erebus - Summer Gaia if you have it. Now you might think this is alot i'm listing out but i should mention that this team is basically the picture perfect team one can hope for against End game light fights and 2 units are limited so take it as you will (DMM also removed all season limiteds from jewels so whaling is your only way to them now). That's how fucked Dark is right now as an element due to negligence on the DMM side

Conclusion? I need to re emphasize this. Cobble, gluda and i are not trying to highlight how amazing pluto is as an unit, there are better her yes, however when you take it in the context of dark as a whole right now, she's good in that context and nowhere else

EDIT: Oh and to make clear about the debuff slaves part, the idea of having one unit taking care of reducing the boss's damage or having that one unit raise your team damage from debuffs can be considered doing something for the team
EDIt 2: Fucked up on Berith, Berserk not reflect
Final note: you are gonna see a shit ton of edits since i was sleepy when i wrote this