Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by nut

I want to switch from Herc to Shingen after the next UE, With Shingen and her EX skill I lose 25% def down from Herc's axe and can't use EX slot for ss or ambush, so can a team that can't reach 50% def debuff with kami only run Shingen?
Also would 0 star Hraes worth using as sub to cover the lack of debuff for Shingen?

I don't recommend Herc=>Shingen if you will lose 50% def down. But if you can get -50% def with Shingen ss/ambush - why not? Make a playtest and deside. About Hrae as sub - bad plan. You can use Hrae on turn 8, Herc axe is much faster. On wind team with friend's Hrae on turn 1 things are completely different.

Originally Posted by Slashley

... do I REALLY need to say that Ults don't count? That's 4 Def when compared to 5, so you have what, 20% extra damage (I can't be arsed to even think the exact number, but it's around an always on Crit). And do I REALLY need to also specify no numbers with Union buffs (+100% Assault and +150% Burst) before somebody suggests those as well? ... although I guess that'd be valid since Union content is serious business...

All the numbers I listed were against 10 Def. And no Union buffs.

I guess exceeds can't be useful for ults, fair enough.
Then how about this:
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Mammon, with no crit and 2 stacks of snatch... crap, there's TAphro here, can't hit burst cap like nothing when TAphro is involved, my bad. I could try this one with Shingen's Bow, but I guess it won't be good either (it can't be nothing, when you need to use bow after all).
A keen eye will see I kinda cheated on that one though.

Well, I could try Ares in future, after Typhoon Spears will be here. Not that I care that much, because Fire UE is in late April.
Anyway, I am not gonna play the "you need to hit burst cap on strict conditions, otherwise exceed is (apparently) not useful". As I've said earlier: with enough time many people will hit burst cap thus making exceeds more useful.

Originally Posted by nut

I want to switch from Herc to Shingen after the next UE, With Shingen and her EX skill I lose 25% def down from Herc's axe and can't use EX slot for ss or ambush, so can a team that can't reach 50% def debuff with kami only run Shingen?
Also would 0 star Hraes worth using as sub to cover the lack of debuff for Shingen?

You need to rethink, what EX skill is for. It's there to fill a hole in your team (be it debuff, utility skill, whatever), not using ability that DMM players use. Use Shingen with SS and see whether it's better than Herc. Use Shingen with her EX skill and see whether it's better than any of those. Adapt to situation, think for yourself, don't force yourself to play how people tell you too.

Originally Posted by codavis2

Why are Hercules and Shingen considered the best souls to use? Is it just cause of their damage?

There's a couple of reasons, but damage is the main one, yes. The "which Soul should I use?" thread should list Herc at the moment, and once I get to update it then it'll also list Shingen's good sides. Well, Shingen's good side is basically her new EX skill which guarantees a PF Full Burst every 7 turns with zero help from other Hime. Realistically much faster than that, though.

But this is a pretty good way to put it though:

Originally Posted by Gludateton

You need to rethink, what EX skill is for. It's there to fill a hole in your team (be it debuff, utility skill, whatever), not using ability that DMM players use. Use Shingen with SS and see whether it's better than Herc. Use Shingen with her EX skill and see whether it's better than any of those. Adapt to situation, think for yourself, don't force yourself to play how people tell you too.

In other words, running Herc PF or Shingen new EX might be the optimal way to play, but that assumes that you're running a team who are basically perfect by themselves. If you don't have that, chances are high that you need to run Herc with whatever EX completes your team, since Herc is just stupid good.

So with Vohu Manah what team will be the "water meta"?

Which one's the better eidolon effect?: "Thunder characters' ATK UP 40%/HP UP 20%" or "Thunder ATK UP 40%/Water RST UP"?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

So with Vohu Manah what team will be the "water meta"?

I'd think that Shingen-Vohu-Saraswati-Ryu-Oh-anyone? Vohu and Saraswati compliment each other really well, and Ryu-Oh with Vohu hits -50%/-50% against Fire enemies. And gives you BP. Last slot is a wild card for anything that you want, like Cthulhu for back-up debuffs, Snow Raph for damage cut, Asherah for burst even more memes, Shiva for general damage output.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Which one's the better eidolon effect?: "Thunder characters' ATK UP 40%/HP UP 20%" or "Thunder ATK UP 40%/Water RST UP"?

For damage? The first one is Character Atk, the second one is Elemental Atk (as it doesn't mention Character). The super simplified damage formula is "CharacterAtk*ElementalAtk*baseAtk"

Confused? It means whichever you have less of. Since CharacterAtk is the same thing you get from your weapons (Assault), in general this means that Elemental is better. As a rule of thumb, always pick Elemental UNLESS you have all of this:
1. fighting with elemental advantage (because that gives you 45% ElementalAtk)
2. have an offensive Soul weapon (because that's ElementalAtk)
3. are using a 100% Eidolon
With all three and a good Grid, Character and Elemental tends to be about the same. I've made a damage calc for this, which may or may not help to clarify.

For survival? If you have fair amounts of HP or heals, the latter as it is -10% damage taken, but remember, only against Water.

And finally, reminder that Medjed has an active which is way better than Ygg's.

How do the skill levels on the phantom weapons work? Is it similar to a normal SSR with 6% base and then +0.5% per level? And are these weapons so good that you replace SSRs with SRs and Rs to get the bonus?

Originally Posted by Slashley

Vohu and Saraswati compliment each other really well

That's quite nice of them. They also complement each other.

Originally Posted by Slashley

I'd think that Shingen-Vohu-Saraswati-Ryu-Oh-anyone? Vohu and Saraswati compliment each other really well, and Ryu-Oh with Vohu hits -50%/-50% against Fire enemies. And gives you BP. Last slot is a wild card for anything that you want, like Cthulhu for back-up debuffs, Snow Raph for damage cut, Asherah for burst even more memes, Shiva for general damage output.For damage? The first one is Character Atk, the second one is Elemental Atk (as it doesn't mention Character). The super simplified damage formula is "CharacterAtk*ElementalAtk*baseAtk"

Not Saraswati, top water team for at least 1 year will be Shingen, Vohu, Asherath, Ruy-Oh, Shiva aw/Lakshmi (Lakshmi will be in 2 months, Vohu is next) Lakshmi should be second, Vohu first to optimize chain burst, rest - doesn't matter. Asherath can be replaced with heal/Saraswati if needed/ you don't have her, but damage will be much less, her buffs are just too great to replace. Ruy-Oh can be replaced with Ctulhu aw, but she is much worse (no BP). Vohu can't be replaced at all - she is must have for any competitive water team.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

I don't recommend Herc=>Shingen if you will lose 50% def down. But if you can get -50% def with Shingen ss/ambush - why not? Make a playtest and deside. About Hrae as sub - bad plan. You can use Hrae on turn 8, Herc axe is much faster. On wind team with friend's Hrae on turn 1 things are completely different.

Originally Posted by Gludateton

You need to rethink, what EX skill is for. It's there to fill a hole in your team (be it debuff, utility skill, whatever), not using ability that DMM players use. Use Shingen with SS and see whether it's better than Herc. Use Shingen with her EX skill and see whether it's better than any of those. Adapt to situation, think for yourself, don't force yourself to play how people tell you too.

Thanks, need to wait until next UE to see how things work out with Shingen