Quote Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac View Post
You're throwing debuff values like Cthulhu doesn't have anything else up her arsenal. Lemme bring up the actual comparisons:

Ryu-Oh has 20% def break, 20% atk break, and a BP.

Cthulhu AW has a blob eat for 20 BG (that happens to not be stormtrooper accuracy anymore), a 20% AoE def break, and a 15% atk break. Alright, that's where your comparison ends.

But. But. But. BUT she has an insanity debuff that when sticks, not only has the charm property, but also has a chance to completely drain the boss's orb bar. And Cthulhu gets high DATA rate on any enemy afflicted with insanity. And her burst effect gives herself increased afflict rate making her debuff stick rate higher.

Remind me again, how does having a single BP compare to all that? You're not going to seriously tell me Ryu-Oh is still the better debuff slave are you?
Burst effect of affliction chance buff is just a compensation of Ctulhu's poor accuracy. Actualy Ctulhu aw's sometimes is not as poor as before, but Ruy-Oh doesn't need it at all - with Vohu she has no problems with debuffs if no thunder targets. Insanity is a good thing, but it's a chance-based so it may miss or proc not when you realy need it or not to drain orb, but i still accept this argument. Orb eat - yes, at least we may hope that it will hit more then once a day. Personaly I like Ruy-Oh more than Ctulhu because she allows to have free ex slot and provides attack debuff cap, but I'm not goeing to say that Ruy-Oh is always better then Ctulhu aw - they both have their pros and cons.

Quote Originally Posted by Gludateton View Post
Quote from JP wiki for Shiva's AW buff: "味方全体の攻撃UP・水属性攻撃UP・急 所攻撃確率UP". It does boost crit. Hell, it even replaces Asherah's.


Guess what, you can take BP as ex and take Cthulhu AW. You now have BP, orb eat and +20 BG with cooldown sometimes higher than 7T. Even better overdrive control than with Ryu-oh.


Orb eat and +20 bg.
Oh, i didn't knew about Shiva's buff, so you realy may replace Asherath with Shiva+ Ctulhu. Personaly I use Lakshmi instead of Shiva so i can't do so.
In terms of overdrive control - yes, Ctulhu + BP ex is maximum overdrive control + a little boost to BG gain. It's nice, but Ruy-Oh+ PF ex/Shingen's MP ex just means much more damage/ more bursts + attack debuff cap (almost 10% less damage taken then with Ctulhu). So you may choose between this 2 options.