Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

You're throwing debuff values like Cthulhu doesn't have anything else up her arsenal. Lemme bring up the actual comparisons:

Ryu-Oh has 20% def break, 20% atk break, and a BP.

Cthulhu AW has a blob eat for 20 BG (that happens to not be stormtrooper accuracy anymore), a 20% AoE def break, and a 15% atk break. Alright, that's where your comparison ends.

But. But. But. BUT she has an insanity debuff that when sticks, not only has the charm property, but also has a chance to completely drain the boss's orb bar. And Cthulhu gets high DATA rate on any enemy afflicted with insanity. And her burst effect gives herself increased afflict rate making her debuff stick rate higher.

Remind me again, how does having a single BP compare to all that? You're not going to seriously tell me Ryu-Oh is still the better debuff slave are you?

Burst effect of affliction chance buff is just a compensation of Ctulhu's poor accuracy. Actualy Ctulhu aw's sometimes is not as poor as before, but Ruy-Oh doesn't need it at all - with Vohu she has no problems with debuffs if no thunder targets. Insanity is a good thing, but it's a chance-based so it may miss or proc not when you realy need it or not to drain orb, but i still accept this argument. Orb eat - yes, at least we may hope that it will hit more then once a day. Personaly I like Ruy-Oh more than Ctulhu because she allows to have free ex slot and provides attack debuff cap, but I'm not goeing to say that Ruy-Oh is always better then Ctulhu aw - they both have their pros and cons.

Originally Posted by Gludateton

Quote from JP wiki for Shiva's AW buff: "味方全体の攻撃UP・水属性攻撃UP・急 所攻撃確率UP". It does boost crit. Hell, it even replaces Asherah's.


Guess what, you can take BP as ex and take Cthulhu AW. You now have BP, orb eat and +20 BG with cooldown sometimes higher than 7T. Even better overdrive control than with Ryu-oh.


Orb eat and +20 bg.

Oh, i didn't knew about Shiva's buff, so you realy may replace Asherath with Shiva+ Ctulhu. Personaly I use Lakshmi instead of Shiva so i can't do so.
In terms of overdrive control - yes, Ctulhu + BP ex is maximum overdrive control + a little boost to BG gain. It's nice, but Ruy-Oh+ PF ex/Shingen's MP ex just means much more damage/ more bursts + attack debuff cap (almost 10% less damage taken then with Ctulhu). So you may choose between this 2 options.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

Burst effect of affliction chance buff is just a compensation of Ctulhu's poor accuracy

How bout you actually fact check before talking out of your behind. They buffed her accuracy including her non-AW with the same patch her AW was released. Her accuracy is now actually better than RyuO even without her burst effect.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

Burst effect of affliction chance buff is just a compensation of Ctulhu's poor accuracy. Actualy Ctulhu aw's sometimes is not as poor as before, but Ruy-Oh doesn't need it at all - with Vohu she has no problems with debuffs if no thunder targets. Insanity is a good thing, but it's a chance-based so it may miss or proc not when you realy need it or not to drain orb, but i still accept this argument. Orb eat - yes, at least we may hope that it will hit more then once a day. Personaly I like Ruy-Oh more than Ctulhu because she allows to have free ex slot and provides attack debuff cap, but I'm not goeing to say that Ruy-Oh is always better then Ctulhu aw - they both have their pros and cons.

Have you ever actually seen Insanity in action? The proc rate is decent enough for it to outclass a BP anyday. And even going by your standards that assuming it might not hit, what's to say Ryu-Oh wont fuck up and miss as well?
The way i see it, if her orb eater lands which is again more likely since she doesn't have her shit aim anymore AND she gives the team BG. Insanity can help a fuck ton when it does proc ( i have seen it happen enough times) and it also boosts her DATA allowing her to help with your burst rotation
Oh and as cobble said her value as a debuffer is basically matched by Cthulu AW in terms of capping out

When does Cthulu get her awakening?

Originally Posted by Superbia

When does Cthulu get her awakening?

About eight months from now, halfway through October.

Originally Posted by Slashley

About eight months from now, halfway through October.

Thanks. So a while off and that means I can awaken others without much worry.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

Oh, i didn't knew about Shiva's buff, so you realy may replace Asherath with Shiva+ Ctulhu. Personaly I use Lakshmi instead of Shiva so i can't do so.
In terms of overdrive control - yes, Ctulhu + BP ex is maximum overdrive control + a little boost to BG gain. It's nice, but Ruy-Oh+ PF ex/Shingen's MP ex just means much more damage/ more bursts + attack debuff cap (almost 10% less damage taken then with Ctulhu). So you may choose between this 2 options.

Can you explain why Ryu-Oh+Shingen with MEX have MUCH MORE dmg compare to Cthulhu + Shingen with BP ?, because to me it look fucking the same, yeah Cthulhu +20BG is 7t cd not 6t like Shingen but doesn’t sound MUCH

And Cthulhu have self atk buff and better DATA so the overall dmg is probably the same and you have much better orb control and Cthulhu AW’s debuff hit rate is also better

well, just got the #1 alt of all time... now to just find someone who wants to start on it.. feelsgoodman belial from a single draw if i had a penis i'd so nut rn

I know that ACC 6 and 7 will be coming. However, can somebody tell me what you gain from doing them?