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    After battling water ragnarok for a couple of times i got a phantom axe.
    How powerfull are the new phantom weapons?
    is it worth it to go for all axe weapon grid?
    And lastly is it worth it go give a soul a phantom weapon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frelas View Post
    After battling water ragnarok for a couple of times i got a phantom axe.
    How powerfull are the new phantom weapons?
    is it worth it to go for all axe weapon grid?
    They increase the base stats of all the weapons of the same type, and also activate their own often powerful skill(s) when you have 5 or more. As such, using SRs to get a full Axe Grid usually isn't worth it. But if you have five+ Axes in some Grid already *cough*Dark*cough* go ahead and slap that bitch in there.

    The Axe isn't particularly good though, since it gives Exceed(++) (nice but not all that necessary) and Elaborate(++) (utter trash). Still, the increased base stats might make up for the loss in Assault.
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    And lastly is it worth it go give a soul a phantom weapon?
    No. Soul weapons go into main slot.

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    On the topic of phantom weapons, in general which phantom weapons work best with which elements?
    Also, if you somehow managed to get 6 of the same phantom weapon, would that mean you could theoretically run a mixed element team and have comparable damage or would the damage difference be noticeable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    On the topic of phantom weapons, in general which phantom weapons work best with which elements?
    Also, if you somehow managed to get 6 of the same phantom weapon, would that mean you could theoretically run a mixed element team and have comparable damage or would the damage difference be noticeable?
    on DMM, a rainbow grid with SSR Diabolos is awesome. use her for my training team, as an example, and each girl can hit 30K+ w/o debuffs all being mixed element. with a phantom weapon that would increase even more. though the damage would still be significantally less than a normal element team so I don't recommend it as a play style...

    but i'd say hammer for dark, lance for fire, bow for wind... maybe
    just because we had/have 3 chances to get Typhon's lance for fire, as there's an event in a few days and another rematch in a year.
    upcoming assault++ dark hammer raid.. well, in 4 months, and another Kyuuki rematch in a year (on DMM the next upcoming event, as well as Fleurety's wind assault++ bow comes for us in abbbbout a month.)
    selling brand new account with L/E SSR and full plus more fire team.

    has at least 1 SSR of each element.

    rank 41 .
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    As a follow up question on phantom weapons: would it improve your grid to use a 0lb phantom weapon or do you need to limit break it first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    On the topic of phantom weapons, in general which phantom weapons work best with which elements
    That... depends on 2 things:

    1. Are you whale?
    2. What weapons in that element are good?

    Light (because it's such a fucking good element you can always remember it)


    If whale = No

    Axe grid (2 Yule axes, 3 UE axes. Alternatively 1 Herc axe into the mix if you don't have dupe Yule but then you're locked with Herc.)
    Staff grid (Andro staff, 3 UE staffs + 1 wild card + UE axes for the exceed + phoenix bow(s))

    If whale = Yes

    Spear grid (Shingen + Mike + Tish spear, balance accordingly for HP and exceed + Vishnu wheels)
    Special sword/ glaive grid (a fuck ton of vishnu wheels, possibly a random free glaive as a filler + UE axe/ Tish spear)
    Either is fine really.



    Fire


    If whale = No

    Budget spear grid (Shingen + 2 Typhon (eventually 3 with the recent DMM Typhon reprint) + 1/2 Vlad + Iwanaga SR spear (optional) + ... whatever best you get for free)

    If whale = Yes

    Sword grid (2 UE swords (you have to split the UE sword into 2 and brick them both... or wait 1000 years for the 2nd one) + 3 Ascalon + whatever HP stick you can have, preferably Nemea)
    Hammer grid (Nemea everywhere, maybe Iwanagahammer for filler)
    Whale spear grid (Mars spear everywhere. Typhon spear for filler). This is the optimal one IMO.

    Issue with fire: finding exceed. Fire UE is very far apart from each other. Uriel's gun might work as an exceed filler in the meantime... or Phaleg (fire guardian) axe.



    Wind


    If whale = No

    Good luck?

    If whale = Yes

    Staff grid (UE staffs + maybe Andro's staff + DE staff. Or Titania's staff because too much exceed?).
    Hammer grid (Gaia hammer + Garuda hammer). The lesser of the evils of wind whaling and a bit more balanced.
    Spear grid (Odin spears everywhere. And ofc Shingen. Exceed wise... wind and exceed :Rami

    oh and...

    Special sword grid (Cybele scissors + Bethor's (wind guardian) scythe). Yeah just pull a crap ton of Cybeles...

    nano.



    Water


    If whale = No

    IMO the best event weapons-only grid:

    Special sword grid (2 Rahab + 3 UE scythes + 1 Illuyanka hammer + 2 UE bows)

    If whale = yes

    Axe grid (Asherah axe + Mercury axe. Then toss in HP sticks)



    Thunder


    If whale = No

    Gun grid (UE guns + Phul (thunder guardian) guns + UE spears. If you have a Mammon gun that can fill in one Phul gun's slot too)

    If whale = Yes

    Spear grid (Baal U/ Athena spear + UE spears. The other skill sticks... probably just go with Raiko hammer)
    Hammer grid (mix of Raiko + Marduk hammers. The rest are wildcards)
    Whale gun grid (Full Mammon gun)
    Axe grid (Ukko axes + Justitia axe)



    Dark

    Oh boy I suck at this one...


    If whale = No

    Axe grid (UE axes + ori axe + Medusa axe)
    Hammer grid (3 UE hammers + 2 Delphyne raid hammer)

    If whale = Yes

    Hammer grid (Samael/ Nephthys hammers + UE hammers)



    Well... this is off the top of my head, nothing exhaustive. But, general rules are: the more good FLBs in the element there are, the better that null grid will be.

    Also, if you somehow managed to get 6 of the same phantom weapon, would that mean you could theoretically run a mixed element team and have comparable damage or would the damage difference be noticeable?
    No. Skill 1s of phantom weapons do not stack.
    Last edited by Cobblemaniac; 02-19-2019 at 08:50 PM.

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    Non-whale options can probably expand if you allow for ori exchange stuff, if you're willing to look ahead and plan for 4 months/8 ori per weapon. Like how dark can pick up sword via... 1x Amphisbaena from event, 1x Apocalypse, 1x heavenly treasure exchange sword, plus 2 more Amphisbaena swords from up to 8 months/16 ori, as an example.
    Water can pick up bow from adding however many Tiamat or Yam bows as needed.

    ...and if you're really beastly/willing to leech the hell out of future lv 100 raids, similar can apply to the heavenly treasure exchange xP

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    So I take it for newer players who have missed a lot of events, the phantom weapons are going to be useless for a long while?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    So I take it for newer players who have missed a lot of events, the phantom weapons are going to be useless for a long while?
    Basically.

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