Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Argo

Alright, my light team was able to demolish the rank 5 dark accessory quests! No losses at all, it actually felt easy... And to think that just two weeks ago I needed two elixirs to get through it. You guys' advice has been super helpful.

And that tip about letting the debuffs expire in the guild order worked out too, as I was able to complete both the Arthur and 3 SR-or-lower-hime missions in one go. The only one I didn't get done was 3 Attack type hime. I'm not sure how many of the new set of missions I'll be able to get done, though. They look harder overall. But I should be able to do the 2 healers one today, which will give me 10 points and a second orichalcon. I can use that to do my first-ever FBL! Only one I have ready right now is Brutal Lance Typhoeus, but that's fine since I should be working on my Fires anyway for the tower. My Phoenix Bow and Armageddon Lance might never be FBL'd though since I don't have enough event materials for them. Sigh.

Oh, and if I'm working on my Fires, what soul should I be using? I'm working on building up my Idea Regalia for a soul weapon. I'm assuming Herc. And what about Darks, do they want Shingen or Herc too?

Dark should be Herc, Fire is depent on your comp and content, if your team fast af ( Uriel AW, Svarog AW+tiara, Ares AW+tiara, Acala AW+tiara,... you get my point) and the content is high debuff resist or it’s raid and everyone else will cover debuff for you, then go shingen. Everything else Herc is a no brainer

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Dark should be Herc, Fire is depent on your comp and content, if your team fast af ( Uriel AW, Svarog AW+tiara, Ares AW+tiara, Acala AW+tiara,... you get my point) and the content is high debuff resist or it’s raid and everyone else will cover debuff for you, then go shingen. Everything else Herc is a no brainer

At the moment my team is Uriel Awakened, Hephaestus, Brynhildr, Mars, with Acala and Ares (both not awakened) as subs. Main Eidolon is Ifrit with 1 break.
Since I don't have Svarog and my Ares and Acala aren't awakened, I guess Herc then. If I get her axe I shouldn't need Sniper Shot anymore, so what would I stick there instead? Trial by Jury, Black Propaganda, or something else?


As for my Darks, I have Satan Awakened, Chernobog, Dark Amaterasu, and Osiris, with Samael and Kali as subs (I do also have Thanatos). Main Eidolon is Trivia.
Do I want to swap Trivia for the new no-star Azathoth I summoned the other day? It's 10% more Atk from the Eidolon effect, but loses the Double Atk rate up and her stats are much lower.
And between Satan and Amaterasu I'm already hitting -45% defense. If I work on getting Herc's axe, isn't that overkill?

Originally Posted by Argo

At the moment my team is Uriel Awakened, Hephaestus, Brynhildr, Mars, with Acala and Ares (both not awakened) as subs. Main Eidolon is Ifrit with 1 break.
Since I don't have Svarog and my Ares and Acala aren't awakened, I guess Herc then. If I get her axe I shouldn't need Sniper Shot anymore, so what would I stick there instead? Trial by Jury, Black Propaganda, or something else?


As for my Darks, I have Satan Awakened, Chernobog, Dark Amaterasu, and Osiris, with Samael and Kali as subs (I do also have Thanatos). Main Eidolon is Trivia.
Do I want to swap Trivia for the new no-star Azathoth I summoned the other day? It's 10% more Atk from the Eidolon effect, but loses the Double Atk rate up and her stats are much lower.
And between Satan and Amaterasu I'm already hitting -45% defense. If I work on getting Herc's axe, isn't that overkill?

For your fire, both TbJ or BP is find, go with what you like, but for content like GO, Sniper Shot is still a very strong skill because it’s AOE 20% atk/def debuff. For your dark, Herc is not only for the def debuff, she is also fast enough for dark, tanky and do good dmg. And null axe for dark is one of the easiest F2p null grid in the game (and strong too because Dark UE axe is FLB Pride Defender). So any dark team would like to stick with herc forever

Originally Posted by Unregistered

For your fire, both TbJ or BP is find, go with what you like, but for content like GO, Sniper Shot is still a very strong skill because it’s AOE 20% atk/def debuff. For your dark, Herc is not only for the def debuff, she is also fast enough for dark, tanky and do good dmg. And null axe for dark is one of the easiest F2p null grid in the game (and strong too because Dark UE axe is FLB Pride Defender). So any dark team would like to stick with herc forever

In my case I only got back in the game in time for the previous greed UE, so I only have ONE copy of the Pride Axe. To my knowledge there is only one more Greed UE, what would you say I do in this case for dark grid since I'm unlikely to get any more dark axes. And yes I do have the null axe which is why I'm wondering.

Originally Posted by kyc992

In my case I only got back in the game in time for the previous greed UE, so I only have ONE copy of the Pride Axe. To my knowledge there is only one more Greed UE, what would you say I do in this case for dark grid since I'm unlikely to get any more dark axes. And yes I do have the null axe which is why I'm wondering.

Null grid only good if you already have the weapon ready for it, it’s no good try to force it. Just make a simple math:
A=the atk stat when you run null grid
B=the atk stat when you not run null grid
C=the assault value when you not run null grid
D=the assault value when you run null grid

If (A-B)/B<(C-D)/D then it’s not worth to run null grid.
The main purpose of null grid is base stat, so it’s good to sacrifide as less assault as possible for it. It also a reason why null weapon with assault are good, and axe are not one of them

Originally Posted by kyc992

In my case I only got back in the game in time for the previous greed UE, so I only have ONE copy of the Pride Axe. To my knowledge there is only one more Greed UE, what would you say I do in this case for dark grid since I'm unlikely to get any more dark axes. And yes I do have the null axe which is why I'm wondering.

So I would never normally recommend this, as it's not the best use of Ori, BUT the Orichalcon shop has a Dark Axe that is Defender++/Assault+ at 1920 Assault. Not the best, but it's an Axe AND it has two skills Assault and Defender... And you can build a full Axe Grid for Dark...


Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

So I would never normally recommend this, as it's not the best use of Ori, BUT the Orichalcon shop has a Dark Axe that is Defender++/Assault+ at 1920 Assault. Not the best, but it's an Axe AND it has two skills Assault and Defender... And you can build a full Axe Grid for Dark...

There's no way an Axe Grid is worth Ori. Aim for Hammer/Glaive/Lance/Bow Grids.

For Veterans who have all the Envy Axes, an Axe Grid is alright. You don't really gain or lose actual damage because what you gain in base Atk you lose in Assault. All you get is basically get a free Elaborate(++) and Exceed(++), which... honestly, isn't much. Still, why not if you already have all the ingredients. But please, don't spend Ori for a Grid like that.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

-- And null axe for dark is one of the easiest F2p null grid in the game (and strong too because Dark UE axe is FLB Pride Defender). --

Sadly, only for veterans.

But the same Phantom Grid problem applies to all elements for non-veterans, so eh. The whole Phantom weapon idea is goddamn awful.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

For your fire, both TbJ or BP is find, go with what you like, but for content like GO, Sniper Shot is still a very strong skill because it’s AOE 20% atk/def debuff. For your dark, Herc is not only for the def debuff, she is also fast enough for dark, tanky and do good dmg. And null axe for dark is one of the easiest F2p null grid in the game (and strong too because Dark UE axe is FLB Pride Defender). So any dark team would like to stick with herc forever

Hmm, I really should set up two different team loadouts for each element, but then stuff like the Tower happens and I want the free space for teams to do that.
For general purpose I think I'll probably go with Herc with Trial by Jury for the time being, then. I doubt I'll use my Fires in Guild Orders much...my Light team is working moderately against the Light one now that I'm getting the hang of it, so I assume they'll be okay for other elements too.

I haven't gotten a single Phantom weapon yet, so I probably shouldn't be thinking that far ahead.
My Darks lack Atk Down so I was using Trial by Jury with Shingen so far. Do you think Shingen works for Dark? I've got Osiris with a small party-wide burst increase, and both Chernobog and Satan Awakened have combo-boosting skills. If that's not enough then I'll just switch to Herc and start buying her axes with the regalia I've saved up. I can buy two Dark soul weapons right now.
I do have the union Dark axe. One copy is broken to three stars, and I have two extra copies as well. I've also got this Dark hammer from union battles too, but only at two stars. Will there be another one where I can get more? And while I'm at it, will there be more events where I can get the Light union Staff? I have only one copy of that.

Originally Posted by Argo

Hmm, I really should set up two different team loadouts for each element, but then stuff like the Tower happens and I want the free space for teams to do that.
For general purpose I think I'll probably go with Herc with Trial by Jury for the time being, then. I doubt I'll use my Fires in Guild Orders much...my Light team is working moderately against the Light one now that I'm getting the hang of it, so I assume they'll be okay for other elements too.

I haven't gotten a single Phantom weapon yet, so I probably shouldn't be thinking that far ahead.
My Darks lack Atk Down so I was using Trial by Jury with Shingen so far. Do you think Shingen works for Dark? I've got Osiris with a small party-wide burst increase, and both Chernobog and Satan Awakened have combo-boosting skills. If that's not enough then I'll just switch to Herc and start buying her axes with the regalia I've saved up. I can buy two Dark soul weapons right now.
I do have the union Dark axe. One copy is broken to three stars, and I have two extra copies as well. I've also got this Dark hammer from union battles too, but only at two stars. Will there be another one where I can get more? And while I'm at it, will there be more events where I can get the Light union Staff? I have only one copy of that.

Dark usually runs better with Herc; you can always take Provisional Forest with them. You need a team loadout for GO and for Catastrophe battles (Ultimate and Ragnorok). Right now the AQ quests aren't usually hard enough that they have to be much different than the Catastrophe load outs (but that would be a potential third). So that works out to 2 load outs for standard run strong teams.

Since my best elements are Dark, Light, and Water. I have 2 Dark teams (AQ and all Cats, and GO), 1 Light team (always Shingen always Encourage Inspiration), and 1 Water team for Fire Cats. The other elements aren't really strong enough even with elemental advantage to keep anything other than a standard 'best of' team. Nearly everything defaults to the Dark standard team (not GO) other than when I'm running the Light team. The Light team with Shingen and Encourage are also used for GO, where the tactic is just to burst often and always. When I can actually figure out a stronger load out for them, I might work to having dedicated teams for them, but not yet.


Dejnov.