Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

MVP have 1-3 plat chest, leacher have 0-1 plat chest, which mean ppl able to get MVP have 4 time more chance to get a null and 4 time magna with the same time play and seed spent, which mean when they have 4 hime with tiara set you only have 1, and when they can use any null they want when you pray for RNG god to drop what you need, and the gap just keep wider and wider and you will never catch up to them. That’s how this game work. So if you want to stay casual it’s on you, i don’t have 3 100% eido or as many SSR than you because i don’t spend much like you so it’s no way i’m stronger than you. I’m play the game a little bit more serious than you, that’s all

Originally Posted by Unregistered

MVP have 1-3 plat chest, leacher have 0-1 plat chest, which mean ppl able to get MVP have 4 time more chance to get a null and 4 time magna with the same time play and seed spent, which mean when they have 4 hime with tiara set you only have 1, and when they can use any null they want when you pray for RNG god to drop what you need, and the gap just keep wider and wider and you will never catch up to them. That’s how this game work.--

That's not how it works as far as I can tell.

Everyone: ~2% chance of getting a Phantom weapon
Everyone: ~50% chance of getting a Magna
Vice MvP: ~10% chance of getting a Magna (basically worth absolutely nothing)
MvP: 100% Magna
Host: x% Magna (high, but pretty sure it's not every time) and 2x Fragments

So, all that you get from being a MvP is tripling your Magna income (50% -> 150%). But that's when you spend like 10x more effort into the raid, maybe even 20x. So why bother? Just hit the boss once and leave. Go to another Rag and hit it once and leave. Go to another Rag and just AAB (since the maximum raids you can be at the same time is 3). And oh look, you got the same amount of Magnas and 3x chances of Phantom weapons for effectively zero effort. The only argument that can be made is for Seed usage.

Manualing raids for MvP is a waste of your time, especially if some whale shows up and just annihilates the effort you put in (since Vice has effectively zero awards). Designing content which isn't meant to be soloed, then only give an extra reward to one person out of 10-20 is completely insane. It could be fine if all you needed was like... 100 Magnas, but you need 240 as a starting point. And this is before counting other Magna uses such as future Olympia raid hosting.

The whole system is a complete failure, really.

Originally Posted by Slashley

That's not how it works as far as I can tell.

Everyone: ~2% chance of getting a Phantom weapon
Everyone: ~50% chance of getting a Magna
Vice MvP: ~10% chance of getting a Magna (basically worth absolutely nothing)
MvP: 100% Magna
Host: x% Magna (high, but pretty sure it's not every time) and 2x Fragments

So, all that you get from being a MvP is tripling your Magna income (50% -> 150%). But that's when you spend like 10x more effort into the raid, maybe even 20x. So why bother? Just hit the boss once and leave. Go to another Rag and hit it once and leave. Go to another Rag and just AAB (since the maximum raids you can be at the same time is 3). And oh look, you got the same amount of Magnas and 3x chances of Phantom weapons for effectively zero effort. The only argument that can be made is for Seed usage.

Manualing raids for MvP is a waste of your time, especially if some whale shows up and just annihilates the effort you put in (since Vice has effectively zero awards). Designing content which isn't meant to be soloed, then only give an extra reward to one person out of 10-20 is completely insane. It could be fine if all you needed was like... 100 Magnas, but you need 240 as a starting point. And this is before counting other Magna uses such as future Olympia raid hosting.

The whole system is a complete failure, really.

Wow i allways though the 2% null is for each plat chest. You get the infor from DMM wiki or any trustworthy source ?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Wow i allways though the 2% null is for each plat chest. You get the infor from DMM wiki or any trustworthy source ?

My limited experience combined with the limited experience of some other Nutaku players. Those numbers are rough, I haven't kept a tally or anything.

And remember that RNG is going to RNG. For most people who don't MvP, the amount of Phantom weapons tends to be around the same amount as the SSR Hime they've unlocked slots for. Personally, I've unlocked 4+4 and I have 9 Phantom drops. Meanwhile, there's one person with like 3+3 unlocks... and one Phantom drop... yikes.

Originally Posted by Slashley

And remember that RNG is going to RNG. For most people who don't MvP, the amount of Phantom weapons tends to be around the same amount as the SSR Hime they've unlocked slots for.

Wait, you have to MVP to have trigger the 2% chance? And does being the 'discoverer' count?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Wait, you have to MVP to have trigger the 2% chance? And does being the 'discoverer' count?

No, as I said previously, if you MvP, then you effectively triple your Magna droprate. That means that if you literally MvP EVERY time, you'll have 3x SSR Hime unlocked per each Phantom weapon.

As far as I can tell, the Phantom weapon droprate is either 2% for all, or maybe 0.2% per weapon (so technically you can get all nine weapons in a single raid - unknown). Whether you host, MvP or Vice has nothing to do with the Phantom droprate. As far as I can tell, anyway.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

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Originally Posted by Slashley

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Originally Posted by Many Others

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Okay... there are quite a number of details that I wanna nitpick on but lemme first help you with what you maybe desperate to know: The Lv90 Raids' drop table.

This is base off what I've gathered and with help from both the English discord community for taco side, the Chinese player community and from twitterfeeds by Japanese players for DMM side. Forget the DMM wiki chart. I've already seen too many rare but legit cases that don't fully match the drop table described by the wiki. Anyway here goes:

First you need to know that there are 3 types of chests:
- Chest that only drops Magna
- Chest that drops both Magna and Weapon (Rare)
- a Rare Chest that drops only Weapon

Drop distrubution, ignoring the other not important drops:

All Partiticipants - 0~1 Magna chest + 0~1 Rare Weapon Chest
Host - 1 Magna chest + 0~1 Magna chest
MVP - 1 Magna/Weapon chest + 0~1 Magna/Weapon chest
Vice - 0~1 Magna chest

This means the following things:
- The max number of magna you can get in 1 raid is 5, by being Host + MVP
- The max number of null you can get in 1 raid is 3, by being MVP (w/o the need of being the host)
- The theoratical 'best case' scenario would be 3 magna + 3 weapons, at an astronomic chance.
- Hosting only gives you more chances at magna, not weapon.
- MVP gets 2 extra shots at weapon drop.
- The drops you can get as Vice ranges from 2 magna + 1 weapon to absolutely nothing.
- The max number of magna you can get as leech is 1. If you see 2 chest drops, congratulations you got yourself a weapon.


The drop %. You can just more or less forget about trying to figure out an accurate number given the way drops are distributed. We can't even figure out the question of whether the chance of Magna/Weapon chest dropping a weapon is the same as the Rare Weapon chest itself dropping. Just keep grinding and hope for the best, and 1 year from now (if taco is still alive that is) you will be able to buy the weapons (of your choice) off the new 'Raid Medal' shop.


..... Annnd ninja'd by nut

Originally Posted by Slashley

My limited experience combined with the limited experience of some other Nutaku players. Those numbers are rough, I haven't kept a tally or anything.

And remember that RNG is going to RNG. For most people who don't MvP, the amount of Phantom weapons tends to be around the same amount as the SSR Hime they've unlocked slots for. Personally, I've unlocked 4+4 and I have 9 Phantom drops. Meanwhile, there's one person with like 3+3 unlocks... and one Phantom drop... yikes.

That ratio seem to be close, I unlocked 8+5 and have 16 phantom drops
Also Bear make a post about rag drop table, and to my experience it seem to be the most reasonable one.

Regarding Null drop rate, base off feedbacks plus my own experience, we kinda deduced that the drop table looks something like this:
There are 3 types of chest: Magna-only chest, Magna/LowChanceWeapon chest, and a rare Weapon-only chest.
Host = 1 Magna chest + 0~1 Magna chest
MVP = 1 Magna/Weapon chest + 0~1 Magna/Weapon chest
Vice = 0~1 Magna chest
All participants = 0~1 Magna chest + 0~1 (Rare) Weapon chest

This means the following things:
- The max number of magna you can get in 1 raid is 5, by being Host + MVP
- The max number of null you can get in 1 raid is 3, by being MVP
- The 'best' scenario would be 3 magna + 3 weapons, at an astronomic chance.
- Hosting only gives you more chances at magna, not weapon.
- MVP gets 2 extra shots at weapon drop.
- The drops you can get as Vice ranges from 2 magna + 1 weapon to absolutely nothing.
- The max number of magna you can get as leech is 1. If you see 2 chest drops, congratulations you got yourself a weapon.