Thread: [Advent Event] Eidolon from another world - Advent battle vs. Apocalypse

Originally Posted by MasterE

I find it hard to believe that's the cap across all events. I haven't looked at all events, but if any offer 300P, then it could refer to the maximum for those events. Some events have ladders with up to 220P awards on them instead of exchanges, so per-event maximums would be consistent with those amounts.

Could be. The Japanese line just says 30 times. But 300 points per event would allow easy unlocking of additional legendary heroes, and everything I've read on the JP wiki seems to contradict that (they say that unlocking a 3rd legendary is quite difficult). Keep in mind that, if soul point growth were static, each additional legendary unlock would get easier (because you'd have already purchased the novice and intermediate hero prerequisites in the course of unlocking previous legendaries).

That's the general consensus? Whose consensus are you spokesman for? Are you sure those words mean what you think they mean?

It's written in the JP wiki. Wikis generally depict demonstrable facts or community consensus. DMM players have a lot more experience with the game than most of us, after all.

most JP player have 4 digit of extra soul point.

probably most advise written about lack of soul point are refering to new player, because it definitely hard to get enough soul point fast to unlock many legendary, u need multiple event.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

It's written in the JP wiki. Wikis generally depict demonstrable facts or community consensus. DMM players have a lot more experience with the game than most of us, after all.

I'd have to see the source for that. As far as I've seen, any page discussing snatch has varying and contradictory comments. Not many state any basis for their view, but when they do it's testimonial. That's what I meant by conjectural and anecdotal.

My guess, and this is just a guess, is that Snatch is helpful, but only by a small degree. Since everything is RNG people can get a good roll or a bad roll which is why there are so many different opinions on the matter.

It's probably something that is 'nice to have', but not really 'needed'.

That being said, it would take someone like me a long time to get D'Artagnan since I went straight for Mordred. I'd need 1k soul points to unlock her which feels like light years away right now. Not that I'm unhappy about that. I happen to really like Mordred's abilities. They have been very helpful in boss killing.

Originally Posted by MasterE

I'd have to see the source for that. As far as I've seen, any page discussing snatch has varying and contradictory comments. Not many state any basis for their view, but when they do it's testimonial. That's what I meant by conjectural and anecdotal.

Skepticism is warranted. But on the flip side, I see players rushing to unlock the legendary Snatch user--and as a tier 2 Snatch user myself, I think they're overestimating its value. The preponderance of the evidence suggests that the effect of Snatch is minimal at best. Snatch will not be the difference between capping your event eidolons / weapons, and not doing so. Beginners be warned. That was the point I wanted to make.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

Skepticism is warranted. But on the flip side, I see players rushing to unlock the legendary Snatch user--and as a tier 2 Snatch user myself, I think they're overestimating its value. The preponderance of the evidence suggests that the effect of Snatch is minimal at best. Snatch will not be the difference between capping your event eidolons / weapons, and not doing so. Beginners be warned. That was the point I wanted to make.

Wait, you said above:

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

A large-scale study would be necessary to demonstrate a statistically significant effect.

and now you say there's a "preponderance of evidence"? I've been scouring the wiki and questioning discord to find any evidence. Conjecture isn't evidence and testimony is only circumstantial, not to mention biased.

Alright, I'm going to put this to the test. It's much easier to measure the statistical differences when you have larger quantities to compare, and I could do it with epitaph drops but I'd rather not experiment during this event. Between events I plan to farm thunder exchange mats (14-2), and gather results for ores, cores, pixies and cats with and without snatch. 1st day I'll run as many times as I can without snatch, then try to match that with snatch on the 2nd day and make up the difference on the 3rd. Each snatch run, I'll use snatch on the first pixie and each of the cats.

I agree with you on warning beginners to gaming in general; anyone familiar with RPG drop mechanics already knows they're more subject to RNG screwage than any other ability and have come to accept it. If you want a soul whose abilities are unambiguous, any non-gunslinger would fit the description.

Originally Posted by MasterE

Alright, I'm going to put this to the test. It's much easier to measure the statistical differences when you have larger quantities to compare, and I could do it with epitaph drops but I'd rather not experiment during this event.

If you want to make a large-scale study of this, here's my suggestion:
Find 5 people who have a given tier of Snatch. Find 5 people who don't have Snatch. Have both groups spam the Expert event fight for the rest of the week, counting the number of boss kills and the number of Hearts of Apocalypse they get. Counting stacks of Snatch is too tedious (and there's 5 mobs to keep track of each with potentially different drop rates...); but we're only looking for an effect anyway so we don't need to.

Bring me the data from this and I'll run the stats on it (I'm a computational biologist and I've done these sorts of analyses for my PhD project). If you want me to also do a Chi-squared test (which can be a bit more sensitive than a t-test sometimes), I'll also need the number of runs where no Heart of Apocalypse dropped.

hi hi

there is this one skill called "snipe shot" and it reduces the attack and defense of all enemies by quite a bit

it's also an EX skill so you can put it on any class

dare i say it's the best skill in the game right now


oh and it so happens to be on D'Artagnan, which is why a lot of people are going through the effort of unlocking her and not only because of Snatch

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

Have both groups spam the Expert event fight for the rest of the week

That's where you lost me; I already said that I'm not going to experiment with my odds during this event. I doubt you'll find 10 players willing to do that. There's plenty of time to work out a methodology for the 3 days between events. This should get a separate thread, though.

Originally Posted by scrubp

hi hi

there is this one skill called "snipe shot" and it reduces the attack and defense of all enemies by quite a bit

it's also an EX skill so you can put it on any class

dare i say it's the best skill in the game right now


oh and it so happens to be on D'Artagnan, which is why a lot of people are going through the effort of unlocking her and not only because of Snatch

Haha. The only reason I went for her was because I like the loli types.
Everything else was a bonus.