Thread: Spading Snatch

Testimonials aren't objective tests, and 'observational study' is rife with cherry picking; both are prone to confirmation bias. I'm going to have to start a new thread to clearly define the objectives and methodology and hopefully cut the spam. You are all sure of your opinions, but they aren't informative even to you.

Originally Posted by MasterE

Testimonials aren't objective tests, and 'observational study' is rife with cherry picking; both are prone to confirmation bias. I'm going to have to start a new thread to clearly define the objectives and methodology and hopefully cut the spam. You are all sure of your opinions, but they aren't informative even to you.

Your arrogance, towards me and the community in general, is irritating. While you occasionally make valid points, your attitude makes it difficult to engage with you in anything but a confrontational manner.

Allow me to clarify your point here. The problem isn't with 'observational studies', which you seem to have so little regard for. You HAVE identified an important bias, which is termed reporting bias--in this case, the tendency to report only extreme results (e.g., a streak of no drops or a streak of valuable drops). Correcting for this requires selecting the subjects to be studied in advance, before the outcome (the drops they get) is known. You are correct that failing to correct for this will tend to result in biased anecdotal data that isn't useful. BUT if this is corrected for in advance, crowdsourced data can be a useful asset, and you would do well not to dismiss it.

i just got apocalypse from a platinum box in 30 ap quest with 7 stack of snatch maybe it was luck but i want belive that was for the snacth

Originally Posted by Unregistered

i just got apocalypse from a platinum box in 30 ap quest with 7 stack of snatch maybe it was luck but i want belive that was for the snacth

Lucky you.
Platinum chests is good and I get one with snatch. But it gives me that shitty silver axe.
But I am bad with random, so I got a lot of elemental tablets from platinum raid's chests...

Question:

If a base drop rate of, say, 10% were to be boosted by 10% with Snatch, would the resulting drop rate be 10 + 10 = 20%, or 10 x 1.10 = 11%?

The biggest problem is that game itself doesn't really tell us how much of boost snatch gives us. It's like asking us to believe that this skill does something without delivering any evidence. (as far as I know it might as well do nothing)

Originally Posted by Skulkraken

Question:

If a base drop rate of, say, 10% were to be boosted by 10% with Snatch, would the resulting drop rate be 10 + 10 = 20%, or 10 x 1.10 = 11%?

To rephrase the question: If Snatch boosted an item's drop rate to 11% from 10%, would that be a 1% bonus across the board, or a 10% multiplicative bonus to each item's drop rate? Or some variable rate applied to each rarity tier? Does it affect the rate of appearance of platinum chests in event battles? What about the contents? We don't have the data, or even the intuition, to begin to answer these questions, though a fixed-rate multiplicative bonus seems most likely.

In the end it helps... just its not really noticeable... because in the end if you were destined to get a bronze or nothing from the start... then you get a bronze with snatch... how would you even know if were going to get nothing from the start? Playing the guessing game really is pointless lol. It helps. but not in a "Huge" way. It's like using steal in a mmorpg... it doesn't always work... and doesn't mean your gonna get the best item in the game from that mob... wow i got 5% of the gold i'd get for killing him... or 1 piece of shit cloth... yay...............................................

Originally Posted by MasterE

Testimonials aren't objective tests, and 'observational study' is rife with cherry picking; both are prone to confirmation bias. I'm going to have to start a new thread to clearly define the objectives and methodology and hopefully cut the spam. You are all sure of your opinions, but they aren't informative even to you.

My main had d'art+too many anzu friends (deteled ALL of them an hour ago)
My alt have sieg, never used snatch before+0 anzu friends
I played since start to "observe" enough and i dont give a damn about your methodology and&or objective things, since my claims were "ALREADY" verified by dmm veterans, who played for more than 9 months, even if im wrong. Anyway it'd be great to see how you explain this despite all that, methodology professor.

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

i just got apocalypse from a platinum box in 30 ap quest with 7 stack of snatch maybe it was luck but i want belive that was for the snacth

Yeah, thats the whole point of the matter. And that also reminded me of:

Ram, if it was verified, then show me the data. 'Verified by dmm veterans' only means verified by the ones you cherrypicked to verify what you want to believe. The opinions there, even if they were as unilateral as you claim (you believe there's general consensus,) still aren't an objective test, and no one at discord or here has yet provided factual evidence.