Thread: Kamihime Project R has had rape content censored in the Nutaku release

It is remarkably distracting. I mean sure it'd be nice if there were a few more consensual scenes, but if there aren't then badly rewriting scenes isn't going to work. After watching enough anime or games with Japanese voice work, people pick up a vague understanding of what is being said. Having "no" rewritten as "yes" just makes the text completely worthless.

I suppose the laziness though is helpful in some ways. It seems like they don't do a lot with the non-voiced dialogue and are fine with keeping that clearly non-consensual. So easy enough to make it work by reading the non-voiced and simply listening to the voiced dialogue while ignoring the text. Workable, but annoying.

I'll never understand the apologist attitude of those who defend censorship in any form. You're not doing anyone any favors. "Oh, but rape/pedophilia/bestiality." Fiction. Fiction, fiction, fiction. Learn the difference between reality and fiction, learn that these people don't exist, and learn that this hurts literally no one.

You've got this one guy talking about dying on a hill of fetishes, but he's the one choosing to die on a hill protecting people that don't exist thinking that people who do will actually care.

You can tell these people are not creators. They've never made an artistic endeavor that they've held dearly. And they've never had to defend anything they've made from others, no matter how harmless. These people disgust me. They're human trash without a shred of empathy, and I wish nothing but all the ills of the world upon them.

Now leave the rest of us to enjoy our own private choices and go back to whatever safe space you need to protect you from the fictional evils of the world.

Thank you, as always, to sanahtlig for challenging these decisions and working to keep consumers informed of the true nature of products they're potentially putting their money into. You do excellent work and we could never thank you enough for it.

Originally Posted by Unregistered2

They're human trash without a shred of empathy, and I wish nothing but all the ills of the world upon them.

HAHAHAHA you're adamantly defending child pornography and calling the other side devoid of empathy, what the fuck is even wrong with you.

It seems people have such a strong belief they aren't willing to look at any other reasoning. Ah, the age of PC SJWs.

Japan, the country that creates this so called content you call immorally wrong that supposedly promotes pedophilia and rape, they have one of the lowest crime rates in the world and then you get countries like the UK and the US that try to censor this stuff and they have multitudes more of that kind of stuff you'd think came straight out of a hentai. Strange how that works.

Also I find it pretty hilarious someone using a Rance avatar would up-vote you considering the game is full of rape. Such a contradictory.

Looking back at the reasoning Nutaku gave, it was a weak statement. Nutaku seems more or less afraid of the SJW ordeal as they haven't touched on content as heavy as this yet. Mangagamer for example has several raped themed games localized like Rance, Euphoria and the upcoming KuroInu and they don't have modifications towards their dialogue to my knowledge. Though with Nutaku's history of censorship with turning small breasts into watermelons, it's not a surprise they'd choose this route.

Personally I'm fine with rape content but I understand Nutaku's decision to change the dialogue.

It's not some kind of immoral vs moral SJW decision, its just cold-blooded business sense - do I want even more controversial stuff in my already controversial website or not?

If I ran the company I may have done the same.

Originally Posted by VortexMagus

Personally I'm fine with rape content but I understand Nutaku's decision to change the dialogue.

It's not some kind of immoral vs moral SJW decision, its just cold-blooded business sense - do I want even more controversial stuff in my already controversial website or not?

If I ran the company I may have done the same.

If they din't want controversial stuffs, they might as well do games like the Poker shit, Pussy Saga and Moist something game because those games fits their... region I suppose.

They know what they are getting into the moment they put games like Aigis, FKG and KHP in their site.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Looking back at the reasoning Nutaku gave, it was a weak statement. Nutaku seems more or less afraid of the SJW ordeal as they haven't touched on content as heavy as this yet. Mangagamer for example has several raped themed games localized like Rance, Euphoria and the upcoming KuroInu and they don't have modifications towards their dialogue to my knowledge. Though with Nutaku's history of censorship with turning small breasts into watermelons, it's not a surprise they'd choose this route.

I think that Nutaku is subject to restrictions and pressures that other eroge publishers are not, or at least not to the same extent. When they talk about restrictions imposed on them by content reviewers and fines for non-compliance, I believe they are telling the truth. I don't believe they are telling the full truth, either because it would be unflattering or because it would welcome the wrath of higher-ups or partners. Other publishers may be similarly holding their cards close to their chests. There's a sort of 'Fight Club' mentality surrounding the issue, and getting useful information is very difficult. I've been repeatedly told, by Nutaku and others, that Nutaku will not be transparent about censorship because it would invite unwanted scrutiny, both by users and their financial partners.

Also useful to remember is that Nutaku is part of MindGeek, which has established content guidelines as one of the biggest porn distributors in the world. If corporate (MindGeek) doesn't sign off on a given game, the game doesn't get released, regardless of Nutaku's sentiments on the matter.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

I think that Nutaku is subject to restrictions and pressures that other eroge publishers are not, or at least not to the same extent. When they talk about restrictions imposed on them by content reviewers and fines for non-compliance, I believe they are telling the truth. I don't believe they are telling the full truth, either because it would be unflattering or because it would welcome the wrath of higher-ups or partners. Other publishers may be similarly holding their cards close to their chests. There's a sort of 'Fight Club' mentality surrounding the issue, and getting useful information is very difficult. I've been repeatedly told, by Nutaku and others, that Nutaku will not be transparent about censorship because it would invite unwanted scrutiny, both by users and their financial partners.

Also useful to remember is that Nutaku is part of MindGeek, which has established content guidelines as one of the biggest porn distributors in the world. If corporate (MindGeek) doesn't sign off on a given game, the game doesn't get released, regardless of Nutaku's sentiments on the matter.

In your estimation, how much of this issue is likely to be caused by MindGeek's oversight over Nutaku? Do you feel that being tied to the Western pornography industry is limiting what the company is allowed to do with its games?

Oh, and thanks for writing that article. It was interesting to read.

Originally Posted by Skulkraken

In your estimation, how much of this issue is likely to be caused by MindGeek's oversight over Nutaku? Do you feel that being tied to the Western pornography industry is limiting what the company is allowed to do with its games?

I'm glad you liked the article.

I definitely feel that Nutaku's ties to the Western porn industry define its entire business. These ties are both Nutaku's strength and its weakness, allowing it to reach a greater audience than it would otherwise, yet giving them less freedom to navigate cultural issues like this.

It's still not clear where MindGeek's content restrictions end and payment processor restrictions begin, and how regional law influences both of these. Nutaku may be forced to use certain payment processors and/or banks that MindGeek uses or that do business in Canada, further limiting their freedom of action. I don't think Nutaku is being fully transparent about what options are open to them and what options are closed, much like a poker player keeping their cards close to their chest.

What I do have is this statement from Nutaku, which I was given permission to quote:

While I appreciate your offer to conduct a formal interview regarding Nutaku’s [position] with [respect to] censorship, this is not exactly an area where it is advisable for us to bring undue amounts of attention to ourselves. Firstly due to the fact that by taking a strong public stance on this issue we invite greater oversight from the powers that be (you can read NutakuDev’s comment to that effect on Harem Battle Club). Secondly, we don’t particularly want Nutaku to be considered synonymous with censorship, regardless of whether we have a choice in it.