Thread: [Event 03] Advent Battle vs Garuda

I haven't tried it yet despite having the characters but some characters have skills that have two way effects/afflictions. Beelzebub's King of Flies increases double attack rate to party but also defense down to entire party and Tsukuyomi's Misty Moonlight blinds all units on the field.

With Amon in the team, I would assume her Devil's Kiss would negate the negatives effect giving you only the positives. Both Beelze and Tsuku are dark units so they can work with Apocalypse as main eidiolon for the Dark/Fire boost which should also benefit Amon's only attack skill.

edit: Just tried with Tsukuyomi and yea, it prevents afflictions by own units.

Someone like Susanoo still fulfills the role of DPS. That's still a use for the team.
Baldr doesn't do anything for the team. She doesn't output damage like an attacker would in her spot, or someone placing DoT effects would. She isn't raising the team's DPS through attack buffs or defense debuffs. She isn't disabling the enemy. She doesn't reduce incoming damage to the team via defense buff/attack debuff/team-wide damage cuts/covering. She doesn't heal the party. She only does self survival, and that is practically useless without the ability to force the enemy to attack her.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

and that is practically useless without the ability to force the enemy to attack her.

not as useless as not doin anything for the team AND not having any self survival XD

And yes, Devil's Kiss would remove 'afflictions'. 'Afflictions' are effectively the same as 'debuffs' from the game's perspective. That is, as long as it's a negative status effect, the game doesn't distinguish them for 'debuff/ailment' removal purposes. Likewise, Cassiopeia's Chaos Magic should only care about whether a status effect is positive or not.
Devil's Kiss is a negative status effect remover that you cast beforehand, with a stupid high cooldown unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by felix

not as useless as not doin anything for the team AND not having any self survival XD

Wiping a negative status effect alone will something for a team more often than Baldr's self survival will.

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*will do something

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Amon doesn't have a whole lot going for her, true, but having some situational uses for the team still places her above someone in particular. I dare you to try to put together an argument for event girl #5, Baldr, being better than Amon.

To refresh, Baldr's skills are...
A self-only reflect buff for 2 turns
A self-only 100% damage cut; lasts until its consumed
A single target attack that also recovers her HP

Great for keeping herself (and only herself) alive. Question is, what does doing nothing but keeping only yourself alive do for the rest of the team? I see one situation in which this is conceivably useful. You'd need someone else to have landed some DoT effects on the enemy, everybody but Baldr needs to be dead, and the fight is so close that you really need Baldr the last girl standing to just hold on for a couple more turns to let the DoTs finish off the enemy.

At minimum, Amon has two situational uses.
Her 2nd skill is basically a pre-casted debuff remover. Niche, yes, but there exist situations in which debuff removal is a positive move for the team.
Her 3rd skill requires an even more niche situation, but it can conceivably happen. Remember the mechanic that when a kamihime bursts, everybody else on the team (who hasn't already bursted that turn) gets +10 to their burst gauge. (This does mean that when your burst guages are 100/90/80/70/60 from top to bottom, you can perform a full burst, for those unaware). So the situation in which a self-only +15 burst gauge is relevant is when Amon's gauge is between 85 and 99.5*, and when someone below/after Amon is still 10 or less away from a full gauge themselves. That is, when pushing Amon into enabling a burst would also enable at least one more party member to burst as well, and you're in a hurry to finish the fight.

*How does 0.5 burst gauge happen? Well, for example, the 3rd skill for event girl #2 (Gabriel) is a party-wide 2 turn buff whose effect is to increase burst gauge gain per hit by 1.5

Amon's debuff protection is amazing. Pair it with any member who gives a good bonus but also a negative, like Beelz's double attack up/defense down. Keeps all the positives, none of the negatives.

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Originally Posted by Aidoru

I haven't tried it yet despite having the characters but some characters have skills that have two way effects/afflictions. Beelzebub's King of Flies increases double attack rate to party but also defense down to entire party and Tsukuyomi's Misty Moonlight blinds all units on the field.

With Amon in the team, I would assume her Devil's Kiss would negate the negatives effect giving you only the positives. Both Beelze and Tsuku are dark units so they can work with Apocalypse as main eidiolon for the Dark/Fire boost which should also benefit Amon's only attack skill.

edit: Just tried with Tsukuyomi and yea, it prevents afflictions by own units.

This. You just described my team I have all three chars. Amon plays first backup because there's no chance I don't field Bryn and Acala ahead of her. As soon as she comes in both Acala's and Beelz's downsides are removed. I don't really count Tsukuyomi's because....I never have a reason to cast it. Pretty much half my summons cause blind (apoc, friend apoc, ouroboros).

the problem is maybe right now Amon's status protection can be usefull, but she is fire attribute and supposed to face wind attribute which does not have alot, or any debuffs (correct me if im wrong, idk if future wind raid bosses spam status debuffs). Cassiopea's skill is amasing because u can throw light weapon at her and make her face dark raids that spam statuses. As for self debuffs. Again, main sourse (or only source, im not sure here) is dark kamihime (tsukiyomi, beelz) and the thing with dark himes is... theres plenty of amazing choices that are much, much, much better than Amon (Bastet, Nyarlathotep, Pale Rider, you name it). Even worst dark hime is better than takin amon in that slot.
on the off note, main point of Tsukiyomi is making your team blind - that allows you to prolong fight and get an extra snatch or 2. since theres plenty of blind sources that dont involve you blinding yourself, i dont see any point in using Tsukiyomi for any other reason than to blind yourself for that very reason.
ony one situation i can see her bein usefull is in party with Ares, since she has atk buff that sets her on fire, so maybe you would want her there... but seriously, im looking through fire SR himes and dont see any reason to pick Amon over ANY of them. Unfortunately we only have Agni and Bryn now, so no other choice than to wait...

Many characters are situation. We've been stating those scenarios, no one is stating she is the best unit or something. We're saying she has her uses, where as you stated she was useless.

Originally Posted by felix

am i the only one who thinks that Amon (regular one) is pretty useless?

Sticking to their own element makes Baldr even worse.
The one hypothetical situation I see Baldr's survivability having an impact on the fight can't even be done by a light SR/SSR team. No light SR/SSR kamihime can inflict a DoT effect. No thunder SR/SSR kamihime can inflict a DoT effect for that matter, so a Phoenix light/thunder team can't do it either.
At least with an Apocalypse team, Amon can be a work around for Beel, Tsukiyomi, Ares, or Acala.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Sticking to their own element makes Baldr even worse.
The one hypothetical situation I see Baldr's survivability having an impact on the fight can't even be done by a light SR/SSR team. No light SR/SSR kamihime can inflict a DoT effect. No thunder SR/SSR kamihime can inflict a DoT effect for that matter, so a Phoenix light/thunder team can't do it either.
At least with an Apocalypse team, Amon can be a work around for Beel, Tsukiyomi, Ares, or Acala.

Well, I mean, Mordred wielding a light weapon can inflict every debuff in the game. Baldr still sucks though, lets be real.

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