Thread: Vortex's brief opinion guide to each SSR kamihime in the game.

Zephyrus and Perun and Kushinada and Orpheus are all better than Agni in non-fire teams. I'd run them in a heartbeat in properly typed teams over Agni. Hell, I'd probably run a blank kami with no skills over Agni, since +80% damage to autoattack and burst from eidolons is going to outweigh a bad self heal, wind resist, and mediocre damage.

Anyways, I think you're all waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too defensive over some mediocre kamis. Agni's only great in one super limited situation and the rest of the time she's trash. There are plenty of SR kamis that are great in almost every situation, even in off-element teams, like Ramiel, Brynhildr, etc. You and felix getting really really really upset over some super minor disagreements. By all means, don't let me stop you from running Thor in a dark team or Agni in a water team, if thats your flavor, you go for it.

I understand you love Agni and all, but you should really look at the numbers and not let your bias infect these things.

I think you just dont understand the basics of the game. Ill repeat: saying that agni is garbage in any team aside from fire is like saying that water is wet. What do experienced DMM players say to newcomers first thing when they are asked advise? Chose your element and stick with it! Saying that only whales can afford multiple element teams is bullshit: 3k jewel draws, premium log in tickets, premium event tickets, and later premium kamihime tickets... ANY player will be able to assemble pure element teams in couple of months if hes VERY unlucky. Ofc i wont put agni in water team but i also wont put amaterasu in water team. Why? Because Jorm wouldve onshot her any time she wouldve been targeted, regardless of how good her abilities are.
This game is not about being a jack of all trades, its about being a professional in one! Once i get 4 fire hime, for my fire team, i will consider swapping any of them for off-element hime only if the candidate is EXTREMELY good for that same reason you described: 80% dmg increase against weak element. Comparing Agni to himes of another element is unreasonable, simply because your goal in the long run is to get pure element teams. Why dont you compare agni to Belphegor while fighting fire boss? Doesnt that seem unfair? Let me ask you this then: would you bring Belphegor instead of Agni while fighting wind boss? I wouldn't.
As for bias, ill repeat myself: im dark/light main, so fire himes dont concern me that much, i just dont understand the logic behind calling a great fire hime "bad" just because shes bad in off-element team. Its like... Duh, no shit bruh. Does that mean shes bad? No. Compare her to all other fire R or SR himes: aside from Brynhilde and maybe Haphestus, shes the best you can get. So by your logic, ALL fire himes that are not brynhilde are trash? Cmon man, thats ridiculous.

Oh, right, the question of worst SR/SSR kamihime in the game.

For SR, it's Baldr. No utility of any sort or even basic beatstick functionality.
For SSR... haven't looked through all the SSR yet, but Uriel catches my eye. Strictly an attacker with a gimmick revolving around burst attacks, but the numbers seem to sub-par, based off comments?

Originally Posted by VortexMagus

Zephyrus and Perun and Kushinada and Orpheus are all better than Agni in non-fire teams. I'd run them in a heartbeat in properly typed teams over Agni. Hell, I'd probably run a blank kami with no skills over Agni, since +80% damage to autoattack and burst from eidolons is going to outweigh a bad self heal, wind resist, and mediocre damage.

Dude, what the fuck are we talking about? Which self heal? What is burst from eidolon? And no please, none of those 4 are better in any way.

We are not upset by minor disagreements, when you write a guide, "experienced" ppl will judge you and your advice, because what you're writing will affect new players opinion and has to be accurate. Since you obviously didnt test some of the SSR you're talking about (you didnt even know the difference between paralysis and stun extend), your post is full of approximation.

Shiva > Amon based on what? Why is a pure damage with the most common buff in the game better than the kamihime with the strongest B frame def debuff in the game?
Poseidon = Susanoo based on what? Why is a simple damage dealer more interesting than one with affliction immunity and strong debuff?
Why would Michael be a "4.5 star" and Agni a trash tier when they have the same type of buff?
ect ect...

This isnt a guide, this is a "rate your waifu" thingy.

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

Dude, what the fuck are we talking about? Which self heal? What is burst from eidolon? And no please, none of those 4 are better in any way.

We are not upset by minor disagreements, when you write a guide, "experienced" ppl will judge you and your advice, because what you're writing will affect new players opinion and has to be accurate. Since you obviously didnt test some of the SSR you're talking about (you didnt even know the difference between paralysis and stun extend), your post is full of approximation.

Shiva > Amon based on what? Why is a pure damage with the most common buff in the game better than the kamihime with the strongest B frame def debuff in the game?
Poseidon = Susanoo based on what? Why is a simple damage dealer more interesting than one with affliction immunity and strong debuff?
Why would Michael be a "4.5 star" and Agni a trash tier when they have the same type of buff?
ect ect...

This isnt a guide, this is a "rate your waifu" thingy.

My ratings are very simple: 3 useful skills vs everything on Shiva. 3 useful skills vs bosses on Amon.

Also going to point out that Shiva has the strongest A-frame group attack buff in the game, and two skills that are useful for both clearing trash and threatening bosses. Meanwhile, Amon's got a bunch of single target skills that are great against bosses and two of them are pretty useless against trash. Also, keep in mind that Shiva's damage can be used multiple times, whenever you want, while Amon's damage only threatens raging bosses.

Poseidon: I don't know if you noticed but Poseidon is a defense type Kami. She's got way lower stats than offensive kamis, and her skills are only situationally useful compared to Gaia or Ama, which are overpowered as fuck.

Michael: If you actually read my words, I told you that Michael was 4.5 star with a full light team, and the lowest tier of SSR without one. This is more or less how I regard Agni - strong with a fire team, utterly useless with any other team.

Anyway, I think its pretty clear you and felix have no idea what you're talking about. It's okay to be strictly inferior, this is one of those games where bad play can be rewarded anyway by throwing money at it.

Originally Posted by VortexMagus

Anyway, I think its pretty clear you and felix have no idea what you're talking about.

says a guy who didnt even know what "paralysis" is... Irony much? You obviously havent played around with the himes you talk about, but pretend to know about how useful they are based solely on wiki stats. Your logic is full of holes, that you conveniently decided to ignore, and you keep making one ridiculous statement after another...
Basically im done here: this guy is either trolling us, or just tryin to cover up his own lack of knowlage. Either way i have no more interest in correcting him: he wants to throw away Agni in favor of Zephyros? Take R-tier instead of Thor with unique up to this day debuff? Be my guest, i know better and thats what matters.