Thread: The value of stacking Def DWN (with damage calculator)

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

C-type defense down debuffs don't yet exist in our version.

Other options to reach 50% defense down besides Yamata no Orochi include C-type debuffs from the kamihime Cthulu and Thanatos, the Burst effect from the SSR weapons Mag Shureft and Guilty Wrath, and the Full-Burst modifier to Snipe from Dantalion's personal weapon Syaruru Blast.

You are forgetting latest DMM gacha SSR summon (Fraserberg or w/e its called) that has -20% on Eidolon-only frame, but we will get it in about a year or so so... yeah.

P.S. Will it be too much to ask for an Atk DWN calculator? Im interested to know if atk down debuff also scales better at 40%->50%...

Originally Posted by felix

P.S. Will it be too much to ask for an Atk DWN calculator? Im interested to know if atk down debuff also scales better at 40%->50%...

I'll look into making an Effective HP calculator. That seems more generalizable.

Oh, Fraserberg is supposed to be Hraesvelgr.

I added a general damage calculator to the same tab, which accepts a variety of modifiers including HP, ATK, DEF, and DMG (reduction), and outputs the modified damage and--most importantly--how this affects the hits til death (HTD). This is a stat I came up with that's a bit more intuitive than effective HP, but serves the same purpose. For example, imagine a scenario where you could reduce incoming damage by 90%. 5% more damage reduction on top of that seems paltry, but it actually DOUBLES your survivability.

if i understand correctly, negative value of "ATK up" = atk debuff value, while "DMG modifier" = atk buff on enemy?

Originally Posted by felix

if i understand correctly, negative value of "ATK up" = atk debuff value, while "DMG modifier" = atk buff on enemy?

DMG modifier is the positive expression of 'damage reduction'. Likewise, ATK up is the positive expression of ATK down. If you want negatives, add a negative sign. I wanted the stats to all be expressed in the same direction for consistency.

Hm, it appears that dmg cut, like 40% from Joan's "Voice of god" is less potent if you have atk debuffs stacked on enemy... Speaking of Joan, how does her Def bonuses apply to this formula? Is that a direct -23% to DMG modifier? +23 to DEF up? (Im trying to figure out who is more potent at keeping your party alive at high dmg bosses, like blue raids? Andromeda with a flat 1600 heal or Joan with all def bonuses, dmg cut and regen...)