Thread: Upcoming SSR Kamihime/Eidolon discussion

Can anyone from DMM confirm that Summer Sol arrives along with the Apocalypse+Phoenix revival event?

Also RIP 9000 Jewels, 10 Prem ticket, 1 KH ticket. No SSR Kamihime. Got 1 SSR weapon and Echinda...

Originally Posted by Inb4whales

Also RIP 9000 Jewels, 10 Prem ticket, 1 KH ticket. No SSR Kamihime. Got 1 SSR weapon and Echinda...

same here, used 6k Jewels on 2 accounts each, my main I somewhat lucked out and pulled Titania even though I have no need for her, since I have a Fire Team mostly, but still an SSR Kamihime atleast, though I did get Muto or whatever the new SR Fire Kamhime name is.

but my other account the one in need of damage badly for Fire since my main has Acala atleast for damage, the other one relies overly on buffs for damage and Arthur to an extent, I needed Svarog badly on that one.

yes I do have 2 fire accounts but I could not get ride of either since one had Sol on it and the other had Acala.

but yeah my 2nd account was a disaster pull, only Echidna and not even a SR Kamihime, just a bunch of useless R.

used several prem tickets as well KH tickets....really nothing.

really considering to try and reroll now for a more perfected Fire Team since I really REALLY want Svarog.

So I started playing after both eilodons were released, so I don't have either, I have a fire main team but a decent all SR+ team in all other elements; I have Echidna for fire/dark so I don't really need Apocalypse for her bonus, but I only have a 1 star behemoth for light bonus. That makes me lean towards getting Phoenix, but the Japanese wiki says that Apocalypse has higher base stats when MLB, which makes me think she'd be the better choice in the long run. I already have more than a full team of SSR eilodons however (1 star Jabberwock, 1 star Behemoth, Echidna, Takemikezuchi, 2 star Crom, MLB Ixion, and MLB Quetzalcoatl). Also should mention I have Sol, so a dual light/thunder bonus would be useful.

Assuming I can only go for one of the two eilodons during the revival, which should I choose?

Apocalypse is generally more useful than Phoenix, both for you and in general. A LV40 Gatcha pull is no substitute for a LV100 event eidolon, even if the passives are equivalent. In addition, Apocalypse has Blind, which is possibly the most useful debuff in the game outside of ATK/DEF DWN, making her extremely useful as a secondary eidolon.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

Apocalypse is generally more useful than Phoenix, both for you and in general. A LV40 Gatcha pull is no substitute for a LV100 event eidolon, even if the passives are equivalent. In addition, Apocalypse has Blind, which is possibly the most useful debuff in the game outside of ATK/DEF DWN, making her extremely useful as a secondary eidolon.

Ah that's a good point, the Japanese translation for blind (darkness) is very unclear so I wasn't sure which debuff this was, I guess I'll go for Apocalypse.

So I'm guessing Hades is after Odin right? What would be the ETA for her?

Originally Posted by choc0keki

So I'm guessing Hades is after Odin right? What would be the ETA for her?

probably around 3-4 weeks

Originally Posted by Boydjt

So I started playing after both eilodons were released, so I don't have either, I have a fire main team but a decent all SR+ team in all other elements; I have Echidna for fire/dark so I don't really need Apocalypse for her bonus, but I only have a 1 star behemoth for light bonus. That makes me lean towards getting Phoenix, but the Japanese wiki says that Apocalypse has higher base stats when MLB, which makes me think she'd be the better choice in the long run. I already have more than a full team of SSR eilodons however (1 star Jabberwock, 1 star Behemoth, Echidna, Takemikezuchi, 2 star Crom, MLB Ixion, and MLB Quetzalcoatl). Also should mention I have Sol, so a dual light/thunder bonus would be useful.

Assuming I can only go for one of the two eilodons during the revival, which should I choose?

It really depends on your team, which one could be better.
A little fact. If your eidolon's element matches with your main weapon, it will get 10% stat boost. The difference between the base stats of both eidolon isn't that big, so 10% stat boost will make them equal, if you use a light weapon.
Apocalypse hat blind, but you should also consider:
1. it could miss.
2. boss' most deadly attacks are spells and ultis, which are not affected by blindness. If you count on missing normal attacks to survive, then your power is too low.
3. You can't summon/apply blind at the beginning, unless you have Apo as friend, so it is good for you friends, but less good for yourself.

On the other hand, Phoenix's summon skill (RST up) is useless in most cases. Later if you will face bosses with nasty debuff spells such as medusa and stronger ones, then this skill could save your butt, but blind won't... Medusa is for most people the hardest boss so far. With Phoenix's RST up and Sol's dispell, even ultimate level isn't challenging anymore.

I could unterstand, that someone would say, that apocalyse is superior than phoenix due to summon skills. If I have to choose them as Friend for common battles, I would like to use Apo rather than Phoenix too, but that's not your case.

Both Eidolons are equally strong imo. Apocalyse for general use. Phoenix for some specific, but really hard bosses.
Only considering the passive, if you are able to MLB the Phoenix, it will give 5% more light element attack than your 1*behemoth (40%-35%). 5% element attack up seems a little, but it will give you a signficant dmg boost in late-game, once you have huge attk boost through weapon skills.
A MLB Apo won't give you any passive dmg increase compared to Echidna (40%-40%).
The summon skill blind, well, whats the point, if you can't use it at the begin of the turn. By the way, Dark element has also tons of SR/R which can apply blindness anytime you want.
Of cource It's better to have them both MLB. If I were you, I would focus on Phoenix first and try to get 1 apocalyse at least.

Originally Posted by fucka

It really depends on your team, which one could be better.
A little fact. If your eidolon's element matches with your main weapon, it will get 10% stat boost. The difference between the base stats of both eidolon isn't that big, so 10% stat boost will make them equal, if you use a light weapon.
Apocalypse hat blind, but you should also consider:
1. it could miss.
2. boss' most deadly attacks are spells and ultis, which are not affected by blindness. If you count on missing normal attacks to survive, then your power is too low.
3. You can't summon/apply blind at the beginning, unless you have Apo as friend, so it is good for you friends, but less good for yourself.

On the other hand, Phoenix's summon skill (RST up) is useless in most cases. Later if you will face bosses with nasty debuff spells such as medusa and stronger ones, then this skill could save your butt, but blind won't... Medusa is for most people the hardest boss so far. With Phoenix's RST up and Sol's dispell, even ultimate level isn't challenging anymore.

I could unterstand, that someone would say, that apocalyse is superior than phoenix due to summon skills. If I have to choose them as Friend for common battles, I would like to use Apo rather than Phoenix too, but that's not your case.

Both Eidolons are equally strong imo. Apocalyse for general use. Phoenix for some specific, but really hard bosses.
Only considering the passive, if you are able to MLB the Phoenix, it will give 5% more light element attack than your 1*behemoth (40%-35%). 5% element attack up seems a little, but it will give you a signficant dmg boost in late-game, once you have huge attk boost through weapon skills.
A MLB Apo won't give you any passive dmg increase compared to Echidna (40%-40%).
The summon skill blind, well, whats the point, if you can't use it at the begin of the turn. By the way, Dark element has also tons of SR/R which can apply blindness anytime you want.
Of cource It's better to have them both MLB. If I were you, I would focus on Phoenix first and try to get 1 apocalyse at least.

Hmm, these are all good points; I may have to just bite the bullet and grind out both mlb eilodons and skip the weapons, I have a strong light team of Sol + Raphael + all SR light himes so I think I can probably auto ultimate difficulty for apocalypse and then spend all my half elixers and push out an mlb Phoenix in a couple of days.

Originally Posted by Boydjt

Hmm, these are all good points; I may have to just bite the bullet and grind out both mlb eilodons and skip the weapons, I have a strong light team of Sol + Raphael + all SR light himes so I think I can probably auto ultimate difficulty for apocalypse and then spend all my half elixers and push out an mlb Phoenix in a couple of days.

All defense/attack buffs are better as sub, because you can survive a attack, which would kill you or max your dmgoutput in few turns, so you kill the boss, before he kills you. and RST Up helps against debuffs, which are annoying, not for general use but still useful in some cases.
Blind, dizz, para, all those CC debuffs are not realible, especially as sub summon skills, which need 10 turns to be activited.

I also missed both events.
I personally will farm phoenix and the dark weapon, if I still have time, then 1x apo.
Phoenix will be the best f2p-light eidolon until St. Nikolaos will come out, so still 6 months. Even the gasha one in the base form gives only 40%.