Thread: How do you intend to deal with Vuritra? [Upcoming Ragna Advent]

Originally Posted by jazz154

I had black propaganda resisted two or three times. Ixion ragnarok resisted it (though I didn't have that debuff resistance), Apocalypse ragnarok also resisted it once for me (this time I had debuff resistance) and I think one of the expert event raids also resisted it

Interesting. The resist rate must be pretty low then. I saw Raphael's skill resisted multiple times just in the course of doing Ixion and Apocalypse Ragnarok. Conversely, I use Black Propaganda more regularly and haven't seen resists.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

Interesting. The resist rate must be pretty low then. I saw Raphael's skill resisted multiple times just in the course of doing Ixion and Apocalypse Ragnarok. Conversely, I use Black Propaganda more regularly and haven't seen resists.

Yeah, it is pretty rare and if that happens then you know that you will have a bad time with that fight. I might be wrong about Apocalypse, though I am 100% sure that it missed on ragnarok Ixion once. I remember that since it was first time that I saw black propaganda missing when it was needed.
I wonder if it is worth mentioning that I was using Joan with black propaganda as extra ability?

Although it can miss on wind disaster raid even if you land debuff resist down. But then again she have very high debuff resistance.

Let's make one thing clear. ALL debuffs in this game can be resisted (including the debuff that reduces debuff resist down) and this includes any debuff that applies immediately like the one orb burst remover abilities.

To my knowledge (unless its extremely rare to miss), the only abilities that affects the enemy's "status" and cannot miss are the rage meter depleters (Gilgamesh, Belphegor, etc) and dispel abilities (Chaos magic, Sol).

well, i'm starting to be unsure about how to battle ragnarok level.
at first, i've thought to use mordred as soul for all the debuff, but maybe arc will work better with her cut damage skill?
if i go with mordred i'll have 2 def debuff which will help me to get to deal damage, and with arc i'll i may be able to survive longer.
but if i do pick up arc, should i go with sniper shot for attack and def debuff or black propaganda?
also, i decided to replace my baal for gaia and to use perun as well for cut damage abilities as well.
so main team will be mordred/arc, tyr,gaia, perun and ramiel in the front, but not sure which other 2 to put in my sub team

Originally Posted by CaptainNoobCN

well, i'm starting to be unsure about how to battle ragnarok level.
at first, i've thought to use mordred as soul for all the debuff, but maybe arc will work better with her cut damage skill?
if i go with mordred i'll have 2 def debuff which will help me to get to deal damage, and with arc i'll i may be able to survive longer.
but if i do pick up arc, should i go with sniper shot for attack and def debuff or black propaganda?
also, i decided to replace my baal for gaia and to use perun as well for cut damage abilities as well.
so main team will be mordred/arc, tyr,gaia, perun and ramiel in the front, but not sure which other 2 to put in my sub team

If you're going to run Ramiel, doesn't the Charm/Dazzle/whatever debuff work fairly hard against Jeanne's "take less damage this turn" skill? I mean, usually it's a very handy skill to slow down the amount of damage a boss deals, but it can make you waste your survival abilities.

Originally Posted by Slashley

If you're going to run Ramiel, doesn't the Charm/Dazzle/whatever debuff work fairly hard against Jeanne's "take less damage this turn" skill? I mean, usually it's a very handy skill to slow down the amount of damage a boss deals, but it can make you waste your survival abilities.

it's a very good point, the dizzy ability can be annoying if you're about to receive strong atk.. but if by chance that the enemy is dizzy, he'll have both gaia and perun as well as arc, so he can use their def one instead..lower chance that she'll be dizzy twice in a row, but then to use either 1 that's left..by this time, 3 turns would passed, and then 2-3? more turns for her next strong attack and that's if she's not stunned by that time.. so really by then, the ability cool down or whatever and he can use them again.. this is just worst case scenario anyway..

the battle seems fairly easy with the right defense, so he's going about it the best way, and with the 3 tank partners he may use the battle shouldn't be too hard... arc would be betterin myopinion cause she heals too, even if it's just regen for 3-4 turns.. yggdrasil regen too, but with the amount of thunder hp weapon he can probably do it without a healer, as i have seen others do it without one and he's stronger than them XD
froom what i've saw, her raging strong ability deals 3-5k? to 3 partners, and normal one deals 2-3k or so to all.. though i may be wrong, and don't know if anyone already said it in the thread.. she have no buff to herself, but in normal one give a debuff to allies which i do't know what it is.. someone else probably said i'm sure gaia may die pretty fast though since she'll have lower hp than the thunders..

my advice isn't the best like i always say, just saying my opinion and hoping maybe it can help

well, my plan for this ragnarok is to get to 100% burst as fast as possible and stun her so tyr can finish her off in that turn.
so having ramiel that can give me 10% burst gauge+ attack and defense buff seem to be good for my party in general, but as said the dizzy effect may come against me if i use that skill and she get dizzy.
in both of you comments it seem like arc is the soul i should pick, but still not sure what extra skill will come in more in handy, sniper shot to decrease more the damage and defense or black propaganda?
with sniper shot i can deal more damage and recieve less damage along arc debuff and 3 kami that cut the damage.
and with black propaganda i can delay the super move time and maybe get less hits with it (although it may fill up my burst gauge faster)

kitty-
how much attack debuff and defense buffs the user had in that battle?
i haven't saw her getting any buff, but her debuff is freezing the CD of skills, let say i used gaia skill and have to wait 6 turns till i can use it again, then that debuff will keep it at 6 turns waiting for some turn (forgot for how long)
so i may not be able to use that skill again till the end of the battle :O
and well, i don't have a full thunder grid so i can use the SSR wind axe so she can have a little more hp, but without main eidolon and suppot eidolon to boost HP she won't have that much indeed.