Thread: Help on improving team for advance content

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

What debuffs are you running? I only see one source of DEF down. If you don't have any other sources of ATK and DEF down, that'll be why you're struggling. You should probably run Joan with Sniper Shot, unless you're packing other Dark kamihime that can offer the missing skills you need. Unfortunately, that EX slot is probably going to be needed for Black Propaganda and situational skills on a regular basis.

Yeah I kinda noticed that. I used to run Mordred with sniper shot instead of Andromeda but I noticed that I lacked the sustain from healing which made it a lot more difficult than without the debuff. I did try Joan with sniper shot too but that fared much worse than just using Andromeda or Mordred with my dark team.

The only other dark hime I have are Tsukiyomi and Astaroth. I was hoping I didn't to save up those jewels to try and roll for some debuff kamihime than. Trying to get Hades did not end well last time.

Originally Posted by darkace51

Yeah I kinda noticed that. I used to run Mordred with sniper shot instead of Andromeda but I noticed that I lacked the sustain from healing which made it a lot more difficult than without the debuff. I did try Joan with sniper shot too but that fared much worse than just using Andromeda or Mordred with my dark team.

The only other dark hime I have are Tsukiyomi and Astaroth. I was hoping I didn't to save up those jewels to try and roll for some debuff kamihime than. Trying to get Hades did not end well last time.

why to use sniper shot with mordred? it's the same frame as mordred debuff (although mordred is much weaker)
as you have satan to for A frame defense debuff, i think arc's attack debuff will be nicer as extra skill with her.
anyway, you're using about the same team as me, you should aim for osiris as she can heal (about 1100 HP) it can be helpful to survive a bit

I'd recommend aiming for these two SR kamihime, which you should be able to obtain without whaling (one from an event that's coming soon, the other from Gatcha):
http://xn--hckqz0e9cygq471ahu9b.xn--...81%8B%EF%BC%BD
http://神姫プロジェクト.攻略wiki.com/index.php...83%86%E3%83%97

One of them provides an attack debuff, while the other provides a type B ATK/DEF debuff. Sub one or both of them in for your current SRs. That'd let you stick with Andromeda for healing.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

I'd recommend aiming for these two SR kamihime, which you should be able to obtain without whaling (one from an event that's coming soon, the other from Gatcha):

i get being able to aim for the one from the event, but theres no real way to aim for the one in the gacha is there?

Originally Posted by CaptainNoobCN

why to use sniper shot with mordred? it's the same frame as mordred debuff (although mordred is much weaker)
as you have satan to for A frame defense debuff, i think arc's attack debuff will be nicer as extra skill with her.
anyway, you're using about the same team as me, you should aim for osiris as she can heal (about 1100 HP) it can be helpful to survive a bit

Oh you're right. I never noticed since I almost never use Mordred's first skill for its debuff effect. I'll try to Mordred with Arc's attack debuff than thanks. I am currently aiming for her but gatcha is unreliable, so I guess I need to wait till the miracle ticket for a guarantee Osiris than.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

I'd recommend aiming for these two SR kamihime, which you should be able to obtain without whaling (one from an event that's coming soon, the other from Gatcha):


One of them provides an attack debuff, while the other provides a type B ATK/DEF debuff. Sub one or both of them in for your current SRs. That'd let you stick with Andromeda for healing.

I am unsure if we will get the first SR you linked for the nutaku version since that kamihime came in an event that was done as a DMM collaboration with the maker of the Koihime visual novel games. So there may be licensing issues for the event in the nutaku version. But yeah I will try to get the second one then.

Originally Posted by Slashley

+99 Phoenix? Unless you're specifically looking for HP, ouch.Character atk instead of elemental atk Eidolon when he has full level 10-20 skill weapons? Apo or Echidna would both work better, no?

But yes, swapping to Apo and dropping Phoenix and Echidna should provide a minor boost.

There's already two high damage SSRs with basically-SSR-Beelz. As what others have said, all that is missing is B type debuffs and sustain, either in heals and/or A type -Atk down. It would be nice if you could use your Soul for that purpose, but sadly, for advanced content that's pretty much limited to Mordred only. Using Joan/Dart/Andromeda with Mordred's debuff might get you far, but not necessarily through everything. I'm guessing Mordred with Joan's -20% Atk A debuff would be the best for you, as is. That'd net you -30% Atk -25% Def, which is okay.

It looks like the options are quite limited there when it comes to Dark... Osiris coming out in one month would have heals, but good luck with that as it's SSR. And of course, Sol is completely broken and tends to solve all your problems on any team, but again, SSR. Darkness Amaterasu is coming out in ~two months and has Sniper Shot of her own, not to mention that she has Mordred's debuff too, which does solve all of your problems as it allows you to use Andromeda(/Cass for Dispel) for heals. But again, SSR! At least there's Nyarlotep in one~two weeks who'd have Atk -15% A debuff, who is SR.

Yeah the phoenix +99 was done mainly for the hp since my kamihime had a hard time staying around long enough during ragnarok fights to get off their burst. So I thought the extra hp would go well with the SSR defender weapon I have. She also has the fourth highest power of all my eidolons so I don't think its possible to swap her out for more stats.

I really just have problems keeping my himes alive long enough to get to use bursts on the ragnarok fights, so a little extra attack might not help. Also I use Echidna because she is at 1 star which gives 45% element attack rather than the 40% of Apo, so even if I switch Echidna out for a bit of a better raw stat eidolon her extra 5% attack on my 40k attack eclipses any differences in stats between her and any other eidolon. That SR you mention might help alot, I will look out for it thanks. The SSRs however I can only pray to gatcha gods for or wait till they release those miracle tickets.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

Seeing has how you have the scythe, I would assume you have Dullahan? Use her as a main instead of Echidna or remove Pheonix.

While you have a lot of firepower, your team lacks utilities, which will heavily rely on your soul. The problem here is you still need a healer.

What other himes do you have?

Echidna is at 1 star so she gives 45% element attack which multiplies with my character attack from my weapons so I don't think switching her out as my primary eidolon would work since the next closest element attack I have for darkness is Apo at 40%. Phoenix has the fourth highest power of all my eidolons so I don't its possible to swap her out for more stats.

I might try your suggestion to use Dullahan for extra 20% hp but I would lose the 45% multiplication on my raw attack stats and weapon skills. I listed all my dark kamihime above and I am hesitant to use non-dark kamihime in this team since my dark himes have on average 40% more hp and do at least 100% more damage than any off element kamihime when used with my dark weapon grid. I did experiment with Amaterasu, Summer Sol, and Gaia with my dark team but they died too quickly and did shit damage during ragnarok fights.

I attached a screenshot of all the top eidolon I have currently. Thanks again for all this advice.

Originally Posted by darkace51

I did experiment with Amaterasu, Summer Sol, and Gaia with my dark team but they died too quickly and did shit damage during ragnarok fights.

Wait, why are you running Dark team again? Go Fire. You literally need like one more Fire SSR for a near-perfect team. Apparently you're willing to cash so you can pick it up with a Miracle Ticket. Healing and debuffs are the core of any team. It's pretty easy to sub in whatever once you have those covered.

Otherwise, sub in Amaterasu. She'll benefit your team more than any dark SR while you're missing critical debuffs and/or healing. Then run Joan like I said above, or Mordred with ATK down.

Echidna LB1 is likely a small DPS boost. You can pair her with Dullahan friend eidolon for a nice HP boost without losing much damage.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

Wait, why are you running Dark team again? Go Fire. You literally need like one more Fire SSR for a near-perfect team. Apparently you're willing to cash so you can pick it up with a Miracle Ticket. Healing and debuffs are the core of any team. It's pretty easy to sub in whatever once you have those covered.

Otherwise, sub in Amaterasu. She'll benefit your team more than any dark SR while you're missing critical debuffs and/or healing. Then run Joan like I said above, or Mordred with ATK down.

Echidna LB1 is likely a small DPS boost. You can pair her with Dullahan friend eidolon for a nice HP boost without losing much damage.

My opinion if u insist on going dark team,
1st scrap off ur Echidna....1.7k stats is really low.... u got other 2k+ to replace it, also Apo is 40% dark that should be ur main....otherwise Dullahan for HP

2nd get Amaterasu into ur team, she has 3 useful skills aoe blind, def up + reg and B frame def + atk down (Apo/Echidna are fire+dark... so Amaterasu damage is not as bad)

Soul, u can stick with Andro for heals/rez but personally i prefer burst down style with Arthur/Sieg (for MVP)

Arthur able to combo with Dullahan weapon(burst effect) u get an extra atk down for survivability while Sieg can easily negate Rage bar...i'm able to stun the boss from full rage in 1 or 2 rounds without any burst

Use Amaterasu. Her damage is irrelevant, her skills are far more important and open up more soul options for you like Joan with black propaganda or Morded with trial. Using Balor with Morded is meaningless so she can easily be replaced. Although slightly conflicted as the next event is water.

For eidolons you have, you can use Dullahan instead of Echidna. If you want a bit more damage, sure, keep her, but this isn't about doing damage cause then I'd tell you to replace your ssr defender weapons with sr lv20 assault weapons. Or you can just use a friend with Dullahan with your Echidna and see if that's enough to last, if not double Dullahan is one of your best bets.

Being a 42k+ atk dark team, you have more than enough stats to clear ragnarok difficulty stages regardless of element. Dropping some damage for better survivalbility is a better option, until you get more kamihimes.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

For eidolons you have, you can use Dullahan instead of Echidna. If you want a bit more damage, sure, keep her, but this isn't about doing damage cause then I'd tell you to replace your ssr defender weapons with sr lv20 assault weapons.

This can easily be settled by comparing various combinations of weapons and eidolons using my Toolbox and seeing which combination maximizes HP and ATK. I'm not doing this because it's not my team or element and the answer doesn't interest me, but those with a vested interest (i.e., the OP) should do so. But in general, Defender SSRs have such a large increase in base stats that it nearly offsets the loss in damage from assault.

My suggestion to keep Echidna is based on an analysis of Fafnir's stat scaling using stats listed in the JP wiki (these might be different from Fafnir's stats in the Nutaku version). This may or may not be applicable to the current situation, which is why I've made a calculator available for players to determine what's best in their individual situations. When it comes to optimizing one's team, there's no substitute for running the numbers oneself because every team configuration is different.